Ripple Edit - for Events and Ranges (voice overs, audio books, podcasts e.g.)

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Ripple Edit - for Events and Ranges (voice overs, audio books, podcasts e.g.)

Post by Centralmusic » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:07 pm

Having a true Ripple Edit in Nuendo would be a huge win for those of us using Nuendo for voice (audio books, voice overs, podcasts, film etc.)

Ripple Editing allows for a convenient way to rearrange sections of a song and maintain the sync relationships without leaving unintended gaps between the clips.
When adjusting the position of a clip in the Track view, than Nuendo automatically adjust the start position of all subsequent clips to compensate for the change.
You can choose to ripple edit just the selection, or all tracks plus meter/key changes, tempo changes, and - of course - markers and so on.

It´s a very fast way to rearrange multiple Events and Markers on multiple tracks etc. together. :!:

How "Ripple Edit" works in Reaper:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS3GF41QUxs


note: Wavelab has this feature since years also!

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Post by ChrisPolus » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:50 pm

I‘d love this. There was a feature request in N7 forums I think. Would still be great.
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Post by ltf3 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:11 pm

Yes!

Been asking for years. The difference now is that pros are often working on anything that turns a buck. Small videos, a radio piece, podcasts whatever.

In the past I used to turn to Wavelab for radio ... but now, working mainly in Nuendo the adjustment in workflow moving back and forth ( plus keeping both apps up to date ) just isn’t worth it. I just want to move on and get the work done.

In terms of implementation check out Final Cut Pro’s magnetic timeline. It is a revelation. A ‘Magnetic’ mode in Nuendo would be amazing ... though admittedly less than useful for music or audio for video!

I’ve even cut audio pieces in FCPX ... it has all the Logic Pro plugins ... but of course absent MIDI and instruments it is less that ideal. That magnetic timeline though, just burns through an edit! If you were editing an audio book ... just saying!
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Post by MattiasNYC » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:56 pm

If you go to "Edit" (menu), then "Range" - does cut/paste time not do what you need?
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Post by Centralmusic » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:35 am

MattiasNYC wrote:
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If you go to "Edit" (menu), then "Range" - does cut/paste time not do what you need?
Hi Matthias,
I know and use this function you mentioned, but that is not really comparable.
Copy/paste time is just only a "workaround" if you look at how easy it is to work with ripple edit.
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Post by ChrisPolus » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:45 am

Same here. For podcasts, audiobooks, elearning, VO... Ripple Editing would go a long way!

If you have multiple tracks, ripple editing also doesn't chop up your audio like when inserting time over multiple tracks. Adjusting the timing of any voice material is crucial. It would be a huge time saver for this kind of work.

See this example. 1) No ripple edit. 2) Ripple editing for one track. 3) Ripple editing for multiple tracks. Notice how it only moves the selected clip and all clips AFTER it. No chopping up clips.

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Post by ltf3 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:50 pm

Yup ... works for me :D
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Post by basicX » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:21 pm

Im with you guys!
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Post by -steve- » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:57 am

Isn't this the same as selecting all after the cursor on one track, and then on all tracks?
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Post by hendrix97 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:14 am

useful if it also adjusts automation in e.g. Groups and FX Tracks, not only if a clip is moved. (when you ripple edit all tracks of course).

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Post by Centralmusic » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:15 am

hendrix97 wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:14 am
useful if it also adjusts automation in e.g. Groups and FX Tracks, not only if a clip is moved. (when you ripple edit all tracks of course).
that´s true!
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Post by Niekbeem » Wed Apr 04, 2018 8:24 am

Isn't this the same as selecting all after the cursor on one track.....
With this concept in mind I created the following macro:

SELECT ALL @ SELECTED TRACK BEYOND CURSOR:
* Edit - Select All On Tracks
* Process Project Logical Editor: Select All Beyond Cursor

PROJECT LOGICAL EDITOR: Select All Beyond Cursor:
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This is a workaround which works quite well, but I think a ripple-button works much faster. Harrison's Mixbus has it too and that works very fast.
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Post by Fredo » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:50 am

Nick,

These Macro's are there by default ....
And they are also in EDIT/Select/from cursor to end


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Post by Niekbeem » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:04 am

Thanks Fredo, but I'm afraid those commands do not select "all following" on the selected track.
In 2015 I added a [FR] which is similar to the one we're staring at now, and there we had exactly the same discoveries.
And as a result of our constructive discussion I could copy this much-used-macro from you.

Please refer to
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Still, I think a ripple-function will work much faster.
I hope someone @ Steinberg feels the urge of implementing all these tiny omissions which would make Nuendo really advanced?
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Post by Fredo » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:52 am

The easiest way is still:

Shift_Double Clicking on the event. (This selects all events on the right of that event) - Only on the selected track.

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Post by Niekbeem » Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:48 am

The easiest way is still:
Shift_Double Clicking on the event. (This selects all events on the right of that event) - Only on the selected track.
......but that's not a key-command.......and that's what this thread is all about.

Am I wrong or are you @ TempleOfTune on Nuage?
Maybe you can explain your workflow in regard of this topic? How do you ripple-edit your events and "following events"?

I'm -personally- especially interested in the mix of using the mouse and using key commands (or dedicated smart-buttons on the Nuage).
On my Euphonix Mc Pro I make extensive use of key commands and use the mouse mainly for event/part-operations. I rarely touch menus with the mouse. That's why I think key command implementation of Nuendo should be much more advanced.
In the meantime I'm very worried about the EuCon-integration in Nuendo. How long will this be supported?
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Post by Fredo » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:57 pm

I don't discuss Ripple Edit at all.
I just provided an answer to the so-called missing feature/KC of "select all events right of cursor" (On the same track.)
They are there and they are working fine as KC. (Also on our trusted Nuage)

But it doesn't matter, because I couldn't care less if it is a Key Command or a mouse-thing.
I just use whatever seems most convenient at the moment.
Personally, I don't see the point of:
-Select Track
-Move cursor to position
-fire KC or function that selects all events to the right.

While I can SHIFT/double-clik on any event in the project window.
That's one action compared to 3 actions on the controller.

But as said, I have both "select events right/left from cursor" on selected track assigned to my User assignable keypad.
They link to the two Macro's which are present in the default KC's.

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Post by Niekbeem » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:16 pm

Thanks anyway for sharing your personal view on this Fredo.
Here's obviously 2 different points of view and 2 different workflows.

1 question mark though, where are the default KC's for "select events right/left from cursor" on selected track ?
I may be a slow student but I can't see the wood for the trees anymore now that we've spoken about all these different commands......
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Post by Fredo » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:28 pm

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They are in the Macro section of the Key Commands window.
In the KC window, there is a folder called "Macro".
There you can assign a KC to the macro.

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Post by Niekbeem » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:32 pm

Thanks!
Unfortunately I can't find those default macro's on my Nuendo-systems........is it possible that I'm overlooking something?
.....I've been looking for this since 2015 !
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Post by -steve- » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:51 pm

Fredo- I can't find them either, and after forcing Nuendo to rebuild prefs these are the only macros that are present.
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Post by -steve- » Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:08 pm

But in any case, this can be done with macros, and a PLE preset.

For all tracks:
Select the earliest object to be included in the edit, then
Macro:
Locate Selection Start
Select from Cursor to end

To do this on a selection of tracks:
- Select tracks upon which objects should be moved
- Select the earliest object to be included in the edit, then
Macro:
- Locate Selection Start
- Select all on tracks
- PLE preset:
Property is Set: Event is Selected
Position Beyond Cursor
Function: Select
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Post by In_Stereo » Wed May 16, 2018 4:28 pm

Yes! This was requested in the Cubase forum too. Ripple edit would be a game changer for editing in Nuendo. In giant sessions for example, you need to expand all of the automation first (since automation is not tied to any events on groups, sends, etc.), then select everything, then move it, then de-expand the automation (at least there's a macro/PLE to make it so it doesn't close aux and group folders and multitimbral instrument outputs when hiding all automation).

With ripple editing there is no need for all of this -- it's efficient and very fast and makes a huge difference in the kind of pro work we do here. I was using Reaper for a bit and realized what a win this feature is for pros and non-pros alike.
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Post by In_Stereo » Wed May 16, 2018 4:30 pm

-steve- wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:08 pm
But in any case, this can be done with macros, and a PLE preset.

For all tracks:
Select the earliest object to be included in the edit, then
Macro:
Locate Selection Start
Select from Cursor to end

To do this on a selection of tracks:
- Select tracks upon which objects should be moved
- Select the earliest object to be included in the edit, then
Macro:
- Locate Selection Start
- Select all on tracks
- PLE preset:
Property is Set: Event is Selected
Position Beyond Cursor
Function: Select
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I've included the PLE preset.
Thanks for this, Steve. We still very much need Ripple Editing, of course.
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