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Hello everyone, (and sorry for my english)

In our studios, at France Televisions, Marseille, we have 4 Nuendo and 4 Pro Tools on 6 old Mac Pro 2008. We work on many TV shows, documentaries and magazines, with lots of tracks and 2 Beautiful DFC AMS NEVE. we prefer to use Nuendo because it’s more stable than Pro Tools (for us) and it more convenient for our post job.
The syncstation is wonderfull, the use of izotope RX 6 is faster and more efficient than with Pro Tools ! (we use keyboard Maestro and good macros for that), the mediabay is more efficient and effective in network than the workspace of protools, the midi control of our 960 (thanks to Fredo), the DMX control of all our lights in sync with Nuendo transport (very usefull for foley recording) and especially especially: the collaborative work !! huge saving of time and efficiency. We sometimes use 4 Nuendo at the same time on a mix, in MTC with the syncstation and in collaborative mode, with complex MADI and DANTE routing. it's very very powerful. During mix sessions, we can respond to complex demands of our directors very quickly and we never stop the mix. (even to load new film version on all sessions)

It’s why we are in no hurry to switch to Nuendo 8 (thanks to your strong feedback!) Even if it is very attractive. We want to be sure that it’s ready for PRO work and I must admit that Steinberg does not really have the sense of priorities and communication on this one.

I really hope that Nuendo will keep its POST orientation and continue to innovate :
- Steinberg, when will we finally get POST presets for all plugins? We do not just do music! We want presets like "phone voice, kitchen Reverb, Foley ..." Look at the presets of the M6000 or Neutron .. Do you need help with that? ;-) are you waiting Pro Tools to do it?
- and of course, the few features that make Pro Tools essential for us: Field recording, export a video sequence, a shortcut for waveforms and an easier way to convert dual mono to stereo. that’s all!
- for RX connect: Make your own RX connect as Reaper, integrated on each clip !! and we will stop crying on the forum .. Do it ! or buy it ! (ask Yamaha;-))
- And last thing: a trial version like on Nuendo 7. To take our time before switching, and to help Pro Tools users to switch !!!

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Great post, glidator, and your English is 1000x better than my French!
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glidator wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:43 pm
Hello everyone, (and sorry for my english)

In our studios, at France Televisions, Marseille, we have 4 Nuendo and 4 Pro Tools on 6 old Mac Pro 2008. We work on many TV shows, documentaries and magazines, with lots of tracks and 2 Beautiful DFC AMS NEVE. we prefer to use Nuendo because it’s more stable than Pro Tools (for us) and it more convenient for our post job.
The syncstation is wonderfull, the use of izotope RX 6 is faster and more efficient than with Pro Tools ! (we use keyboard Maestro and good macros for that), the mediabay is more efficient and effective in network than the workspace of protools, the midi control of our 960 (thanks to Fredo), the DMX control of all our lights in sync with Nuendo transport (very usefull for foley recording) and especially especially: the collaborative work !! huge saving of time and efficiency. We sometimes use 4 Nuendo at the same time on a mix, in MTC with the syncstation and in collaborative mode, with complex MADI and DANTE routing. it's very very powerful. During mix sessions, we can respond to complex demands of our directors very quickly and we never stop the mix. (even to load new film version on all sessions)

It’s why we are in no hurry to switch to Nuendo 8 (thanks to your strong feedback!) Even if it is very attractive. We want to be sure that it’s ready for PRO work and I must admit that Steinberg does not really have the sense of priorities and communication on this one.

I really hope that Nuendo will keep its POST orientation and continue to innovate :
- Steinberg, when will we finally get POST presets for all plugins? We do not just do music! We want presets like "phone voice, kitchen Reverb, Foley ..." Look at the presets of the M6000 or Neutron .. Do you need help with that? ;-) are you waiting Pro Tools to do it?
- and of course, the few features that make Pro Tools essential for us: Field recording, export a video sequence, a shortcut for waveforms and an easier way to convert dual mono to stereo. that’s all!
- for RX connect: Make your own RX connect as Reaper, integrated on each clip !! and we will stop crying on the forum .. Do it ! or buy it ! (ask Yamaha;-))
- And last thing: a trial version like on Nuendo 7. To take our time before switching, and to help Pro Tools users to switch !!!

Good evening to all
Very interesting post. Let's hope that someone from Steinberg reads it.

And I'm with you on your last sentence. The new calendar/date based system makes the trial almost useless when we have a million other things to do.
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Yes, I agree that updates should be synchronised where possible, ie: Cubase Pro 9.5 = Nuendo 8.5 & released quite closely together. For that matter, why not 'bite the bullet' & next roll Nuendo forward to 9.5 nomenclature. Cubase & Wavelab now both have the same version numbers.

FWIW, seems to me that Cubase Pro 9.5 is a strong indication of 'listening to users' and hopefully a useful pointer to future developments for Nuendo. IMO, Cubase 9.5 is one of the strongest updates since v7. That is, assuming Nuendo users present a consistent feedback front and related thread(s). This would seem less clear in the Nuendo forums than that of the Cubase ones - possibly because of all of the many varied workflows in the post sector (?).

In any case, my 2 cents & Cubase Survey feedback for the next steps were:
  • The CPU performance issue - also covered here in some detail and as per the recent Nuendo survey:
    – still needs work on improved multithreading /CPU usage /audio engine & by comparison to some other DAWs;
    – consider more detailed and improved UI feedback as to CPU /multi-thread /plugin performance & tweaking (a la Studio One /Pro Tools).
    [Cubase 9.5 has nicely re-vamped /consolidated menus re. Studio & Connections - ditto then for performance]
  • Many of the features in 9.5 seem directly borrowed from MOTU DP9 (especially editors-in-zones). Consider adding MOTU's 'Chunks' implementation – ie, multiple sequences /cues hosted within a single project; each of which may use independent timecode start points /conductor tracks etc. Ideal for music-to-picture. All sequences /cues may subsequently be 'flattened' to a single master soundtrack sequence for final.
This last suggestion will not likely appear in Cubase, but in my view would be very well suited to Nuendo, assuming there might be a return to greater emphasis on film composition /post. Right now, gaming seems to be the main thrust, but many users seem dissatisfied with quite so much of this while less of film these days. Many comments elsewhere about AAF, round-tripping, surround sound etc.

I suggest we need a consolidated thread and/or a more specific survey from Steinberg about Nuendo development. Again, Cubase 9.5 would seem to demonstrate excellent progress over there.
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Exclusive composer-oriented features for Nuendo is never going to happen. Steinberg spent over a decade trying to stop the misconception that Nuendo is some sort of Cubase Plus (that's basically the only reason why the Nuendo NEK existed). There's no reason why they should make that a Nuendo-only feature anyway, that would only make people angry.

The zone concept is also far from exclusive to DP these days.
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Dear forum members,
Thank you for this discussion. Please allow me to shed some light on a few future Nuendo plans in order to respond to your questions.
First of all, Nuendo’s main direction will remain at audio post-production. Over the last 10 years we’ve been bringing unique post-production features to Nuendo that are only available as paid add-ons with other DAWs, or not available to them at all. We believe the real workflow value comes with the close integration of such tools, which is always preferable compared to plug-ins or external standalone applications. This has been – and will always be – our motivation for making Nuendo better.

Nuendo in 2018
Of course, there are also a few features missing when compared to other applications. No single DAW on the market is “complete” and there is always room for new features, but we will provide some more urgently needed features to complete the Nuendo workflow, in near time. Among those features is Field Recorder Support. The integration of that functionality is rather complex, but it is the next topic on our feature list.
That points me to another open question (actually the thread starter): what about the Cubase Pro 9.5 features. As I mentioned several times, Cubase and Nuendo running on different development branches and it is not possible to easily “merge” them. Believe me; we would have done it if this would have been possible. However, we strongly recognize that Cubase Pro 9.5 brings some more general features that add to the workflow, and we want to bring them into Nuendo asap.

Both topics – Field Recorder Workflow and Cubase features – as well as some further new features related to the video engine and general audio production, are planned for a new 2018’ Nuendo release. This release will be supplied on a new development branch (substructure).
glidator wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:43 pm
- for RX connect: Make your own RX connect as Reaper, integrated on each clip !! and we will stop crying on the forum .. Do it ! or buy it ! (ask Yamaha;-))
We have a concrete concept on how to realize this. However, this will be a major task as RX is a mighty toolset (which makes people willing to spend some serious money for these features). Then again, the RX workflow with a DAW is not very convenient and we believe there needs to be a major improvement. Bringing such features “easily” to Nuendo might not be possible, but we will work hard to do it and we will do it.

Current issues
I also want to be clear on current performance issues that have been reported. First of all, thank you for your ongoing contribution in reporting such issues. We’ve been analyzing them and are currently working on a solution. We recognize that there have been more issues reported with N8.0 than with the predecessor. It is not at all our intention to release a product that is not “finished”. However, the technical interventions (be it rewritten or totally new code) have gone way deeper than in previous Nuendo releases. For Direct Offline Processing (DOP) alone we had to rewrite a serious part of the internal processing structure (previously one of the older Nuendo code parts). That being said, the number of issues might have been higher in the first couple of months compared to Nuendo 7. However, we believe that Nuendo 8.1 already solved some of the major issues and the next maintenance is already planned. With the upcoming maintenance, expected for end of January/beginning of February, we will address overall product performance issues, especially User Interface responsiveness.

Nuendo strategy
Coming back to the beginning of my post, I’d like to share some more points regarding Nuendo’s strategy. While I hope I could provide a clearer picture on our plans for Nuendo in 2018, and our strong commitment to audio post-production, it is also important to open up new market segments. One of them being “game audio”, back in 2015. Many of our Nuendo customers have been involved in creating/composing game sound since ages, and it was finally time to recognize that the game audio creation workflow comes with its own feature requirements. As a first step, bridging the gap between the audio and game world has really added to the game creation workflow, and we will continue to improve the game audio experience with Nuendo. We also recognize that workflows are merging; nowadays game engines play a more significant role, be it in education, in applications across industries or even in the media content creation area, e.g. when creating a game trailer with audio assets sitting in the game engine. We have very valuable ongoing conversations with major game studios and I have to say that many of the improvement and suggestions made are also very useful in any other audio workflow, not limited to gaming.

Finally, we have another project going on in parallel. We are evaluating plans on releasing a product for Virtual and Augmented Reality (VR/AR), powered by Nuendo technology. More I cannot reveal at the moment.

I hope that I was able to shed some light on our future strategic direction, on our next steps and release plans. I cannot highlight enough our commitment to the professional audio industry; to post-production (audio & video), to game creation and composing and to new technologies such as VR.

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It is a major task to achieve all these goals, as markets are moving fast. In order to prepare ourselves for the market requirements of the next decade, Steinberg as a company is currently in a comprehensive restructuring phase. As a result, the company will grow further on and we will be able to provide updates and new products faster and more efficienent for a variety of markets. One of the main elements of the restructuring is the strengthening of the pro audio division inside Steinberg, with more people and budget. As you know, such things don’t happen overnight. But this is the most extensive restructuring since Yamaha has taken over Steinberg and it comes with a great perspective and with our commitment to a continuous investment into more people and knowledge.

Thanks for reading.

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Thank you Timo, your post is a breath of fresh air. We've been cooking rumors in this forum for weeks now and it's very interesting to finally read your statement. I think we all would very much appreciate you being here more often, engaging in a discussion.

It's great to hear you talking to huge game studios, I guess that's where the majority of your new market comes from. But we here in the forums also have valuable insights and ideas and it would be nice to know Steinberg paying attention to them as well and not only to the big shots. Is there the possibility to get on a beta / user feedback team for game audio or are all the positions filled?
TimoWildenhain wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:54 pm
are planned for a new 2018’ Nuendo release. This release will be supplied on a new development branch (substructure).
What does that mean? A .5 version? A major version? A patch release? A parallel Nuendo product release?
TimoWildenhain wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:54 pm
Then again, the RX workflow with a DAW is not very convenient and we believe there needs to be a major improvement. Bringing such features “easily” to Nuendo might not be possible, but we will work hard to do it and we will do it.
This sounds very interesting. Current workflow with RX connect is not very convenient and still error prone. Great to hear Steinberg thinks about a bigger concept to make this work. And knowing that I'm now also much more inclined to wait patiently as I heard there's being work done in that area ;)
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Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:54 pm
However, the technical interventions (be it rewritten or totally new code) have gone way deeper than in previous Nuendo releases.
Thanks for clarifying. If something goes wrong with development after that fact, I think you'll find understanding users here in this forum - when they're talked to and not left to speculation.
TimoWildenhain wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:54 pm
been involved in creating/composing game sound since ages, and it was finally time to recognize that the game audio creation workflow comes with its own feature requirements.
For game audio, when it comes to the creation of countless SFX, this is not linear such as a movie or piece of music is. Is there anything in planning to cater to this workflow? I mean being able to more efficiently organize a big amount of multi-layered (multi-track) SFX in a single project? Separating SFX from each other - other than by spreading them out through the timeline and having a very long project? Or is the common workflow to have 1 SFX per Nuendo project and constantly open and close projects?

TimoWildenhain wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:54 pm
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One of the main elements of the restructuring is the strengthening of the pro audio division inside Steinberg, with more people and budget.
This for me was by far the most interesting bit from your post and makes me hopeful for the future. It "seemed" to me as user, with all what has been going on, that with the currently fast moving market and the expansion into game audio, that Steinberg might be a little understaffed. Hearing this is great news and onboarding new people is a major task. These restructurings are also never easy and cost time and nerves. But it's great to hear a strengthening is happening!

Finally, you stated that for DOP you had to rewrite a bigger chunk of older code. With a strengthened team, are there plans to also improve usability of the general interface of Nuendo and de-clutter it? Making all the dialogs more consistent and not behaving in different ways from each other, having different options, even though they are closely related? Modernizing the VST Connections window that looses settings, the key command editor with it's very cumbersome Macro editor and various such things?

Thank you VERY much for this long and thorough statement about what's going on. It was much needed and very much appreciated.
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Thanks for your long response Timo. It is greatly appreciated.

Back to my original question for this thread, can you give us an idea as to when the Cubase 9.5 features will be in Nuendo 8?
You mentioned this:

"Both topics – Field Recorder Workflow and Cubase features – as well as some further new features related to the video engine and general audio production, are planned for a new 2018’ Nuendo release. This release will be supplied on a new development branch (substructure)."

There is no real indication in your quote as to when in 2018, and it actually makes it sound quite a ways away.
Thanks again!

PS: As 9.5 offered some fixes for GUI responsiveness as well, will we need to wait for this "new release" or will we see those fixes sooner, and for free?
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umfufu wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:44 pm
PS: As 9.5 offered some fixes for GUI responsiveness as well, will we need to wait for this "new release" or will we see those fixes sooner, and for free?
TimoWildenhain wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:54 pm
With the upcoming maintenance, expected for end of January/beginning of February, we will address overall product performance issues, especially User Interface responsiveness.
GUI responsiveness. Maintenance update. End January / Early Feb.
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Thanks Timo!
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ChrisPolus wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:01 pm
umfufu wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:44 pm
PS: As 9.5 offered some fixes for GUI responsiveness as well, will we need to wait for this "new release" or will we see those fixes sooner, and for free?
TimoWildenhain wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:54 pm
With the upcoming maintenance, expected for end of January/beginning of February, we will address overall product performance issues, especially User Interface responsiveness.
GUI responsiveness. Maintenance update. End January / Early Feb.
Ah, I missed that somehow thanks!

Needing to wait 3-4 months to get an update for stability that Cubase already has is the kind of thing that frustrates however.
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TimoWildenhain wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:54 pm
Dear forum members,
paid add-ons with other DAWs, or not available to them at all.
hint, see AR/VR support below, we'll get it as a paid for add on
TimoWildenhain wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:54 pm
we strongly recognize that Cubase Pro 9.5 brings some more general features that add to the workflow, and we want to bring them into Nuendo asap.
right, well, backwards, Nuendo is the flagship DAW, Cubase the cashcow, very clear what the priorities are
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Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:54 pm
Field Recorder Workflow and Cubase features – as well as some further new features related to the video engine and general audio production, are planned for a new 2018’ Nuendo release. This release will be supplied on a new development branch (substructure).
"new development branch (substructure)"?? plain English please, are we getting it as an update or a paid for upgrade?
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Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:54 pm
Finally, we have another project going on in parallel. We are evaluating plans on releasing a product for Virtual and Augmented Reality (VR/AR), powered by Nuendo technology. More I cannot reveal at the moment...
Already 24 months behind the curve on this, still pushing 'brand name' immersive audio over an open ended ambisonic bus, so we are still turning to Reaper as the primary VR audio DAW.
TimoWildenhain wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:54 pm
I cannot highlight enough our commitment to the professional audio industry; to post-production (audio & video), to game creation and composing and to new technologies such as VR.
Yes you can, highlight it more effectively by delivering improvements on time and with relevance to developments in the market place (VR,AR,360)
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It is a major task to achieve all these goals, as markets are moving fast.
markets always move fast, nothing new there, that's why great companies employ foresight.

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DTSR wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:32 am
snip
Taking his words out of context along with this passive aggressive moaning will accomplish nothing. They're already working on the tools you need and taking steps to speed up the development of features related to new market demands (such as AR/VR) by reorganizing and adding more people to the Nuendo team.

Both Cubase and Nuendo are considered flagship DAWs. Neither is less important than the other. Cubase just happens to usually get new features first, and they're sometimes not flawless. Cubase 9.5 is perfectly usable for making music right now, but I can't imagine how angry people would be if the bugs from this first release made it into Nuendo.
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TimoWildenhain wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:54 pm
we will provide some more urgently needed features to complete the Nuendo workflow, in near time. Among those features is Field Recorder Support. The integration of that functionality is rather complex, but it is the next topic on our feature list.
That points me to another open question (actually the thread starter): what about the Cubase Pro 9.5 features. As I mentioned several times, Cubase and Nuendo running on different development branches and it is not possible to easily “merge” them. Believe me; we would have done it if this would have been possible. However, we strongly recognize that Cubase Pro 9.5 brings some more general features that add to the workflow, and we want to bring them into Nuendo asap.
The two things users seem to be seeing with regards to the above is:

1. If these are on different branches and aren't easy to merge, and Nuendo is the flagship, why not prioritize Nuendo? If you don't do that it seems that you're diluting development resources for the sake of Cubase.

2. If it's not possible to prioritize Nuendo, then if the features in Cubase are going to end up in Nuendo anyway, why not just synchronize the version numbering AND give Nuendo users a Cubase license as well? We've said this for years now. Just give Nuendo users a Cubase license so that they can start either Cubase or Nuendo on the same dongle, and a lot of users would be happy because they'd get some of the features they'd want when they're available.

In a way I think some users are starting to feel that they're paying a premium for post features (which is fine) but then have to wait a long time for the music features from Cubase - which negates that 'premium benefit'. The solution seems pretty easy to me technically, so really what's happening is that you just don't want to do it. Money is most likely the issue, but as with the NEK division I just have to wonder just how much more money you're making by not including an ability to open both Cubase or Nuendo with the same dongle/license. I'm guessing not a lot.
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Finally, we have another project going on in parallel. We are evaluating plans on releasing a product for Virtual and Augmented Reality (VR/AR), powered by Nuendo technology. More I cannot reveal at the moment.
I think it's a tough sell to ask Nuendo users to spend more money on this. For those that don't want to pay a lot there's Reaper. And for those that are willing to pay there's Pro Tools. Either integrate it into Nuendo or make it free.

Still wondering what the deal is with Dolby and Auro though. Dolby seems to have no desire or plan to make their expanded feature sets available to Nuendo, which is... unfortunate.
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Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:54 pm
Steinberg as a company is currently in a comprehensive restructuring phase. As a result, the company will grow further on and we will be able to provide updates and new products faster and more efficienent for a variety of markets. One of the main elements of the restructuring is the strengthening of the pro audio division inside Steinberg, with more people and budget. As you know, such things don’t happen overnight. But this is the most extensive restructuring since Yamaha has taken over Steinberg and it comes with a great perspective and with our commitment to a continuous investment into more people and knowledge.

Thanks for reading.

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Romantique Tp wrote:
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Taking his words out of context
Hang on, let me get this straight, the words of the Senior Manager of Marketing & Business Development, for Steinberg, a Yamaha subsidiary, and a corporation in the business of making money, were "taken out of context"?

We pay money, they are supposed to get stuff right. It's very simple. If they don't get it right, we spend money elsewhere.

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DTSR, please stay polite and keep this discussion respectfull and mature.
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MattiasNYC wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:31 pm

2. If it's not possible to prioritize Nuendo, then if the features in Cubase are going to end up in Nuendo anyway, why not just synchronize the version numbering AND give Nuendo users a Cubase license as well? We've said this for years now. Just give Nuendo users a Cubase license so that they can start either Cubase or Nuendo on the same dongle, and a lot of users would be happy because they'd get some of the features they'd want when they're available.

In a way I think some users are starting to feel that they're paying a premium for post features (which is fine) but then have to wait a long time for the music features from Cubase - which negates that 'premium benefit'. The solution seems pretty easy to me technically, so really what's happening is that you just don't want to do it. Money is most likely the issue, but as with the NEK division I just have to wonder just how much more money you're making by not including an ability to open both Cubase or Nuendo with the same dongle/license. I'm guessing not a lot.
I must say that I agree with this whole-heartdly. Timo, I'd love to hear a comment on this aspect if you're able to give one.
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Hi everyone,

I will answer all of your questions tomorrow.

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TimoWildenhain wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:09 pm
Hi everyone,

I will answer all of your questions tomorrow.

Thanks,
Timo
That sounds promising thanks!
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Thank you Timo, I too look forward to your answers. Cheers, john
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Timo,

Thanks...this is probably not the most fun part of your job so I have to say I appreciate you diving in. Hopefully, you will be treated with respect, and if not, I hope a moderator (looking at you, Fredo) will jump in if needed to clean things up.

Fellow users.....please keep this professional and respectful. That is the best way to continue the flow of information. Plus, it's the right thing to do, despite the world having generally lost its manners on the internet.
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ChrisPolus wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:16 pm
I think you'll find understanding users here in this forum - when they're talked to and not left to speculation.
Thanks Getalife2. And here I thought I was too hopeful :)

Since Timo will answer "all" our questions I wanted to sneak this one in.

@Timo, are there plans to replace the unflexible eLicenser dongle with something more modern that fits today's needs of mobile studios and users using multiple machines? viewtopic.php?f=276&t=127485
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"2. If it's not possible to prioritize Nuendo, then if the features in Cubase are going to end up in Nuendo anyway, why not just synchronize the version numbering AND give Nuendo users a Cubase license as well? We've said this for years now. Just give Nuendo users a Cubase license so that they can start either Cubase or Nuendo on the same dongle, and a lot of users would be happy because they'd get some of the features they'd want when they're available.

In a way I think some users are starting to feel that they're paying a premium for post features (which is fine) but then have to wait a long time for the music features from Cubase - which negates that 'premium benefit'. The solution seems pretty easy to me technically, so really what's happening is that you just don't want to do it. Money is most likely the issue, but as with the NEK division I just have to wonder just how much more money you're making by not including an ability to open both Cubase or Nuendo with the same dongle/license. I'm guessing not a lot
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TimoWildenhain wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:54 pm
As I mentioned several times, Cubase and Nuendo running on different development branches and it is not possible to easily “merge” them. Believe me; we would have done it if this would have been possible. (...)
For sake of clarity. I remember Steinberg's statement several years ago, that thanks to a [then] new modular coding structure, Cubase and Nuendo share the same code, which would allow an efficient parallel development, and that Nuendo would always have all Cubase features.

Now, your statement implies that it's no longer the case, and that you basically have to code the same features twice.

My question is, did you abandon the modular approach? Otherwise, what is the difficulty of merging both programs.
From this user's perspective it looks like your core application is Cubase, and Nuendo is just Cubase with Post extensions. A Cubase Post Package could easily be packaged into a separate product (with an appropriate price tag). Wouldn't this solve most of the problems with Nuendo's slower development cycle? We would be updating the core functionality with regular Cubase updates and the post features with Cubase Post Package (or Nuendo Tools or whatever you want to call it).
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