UR816c routing questions

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UR816c routing questions

Post by axemanchris » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:12 am

Man, what a learning curve....

Coming from the old MR816, the routing was so much simpler....

1. I'm wondering what the point is of a master out when - or so it seems - all it can do is mirror one of the other pairs of outs - Mix1; Mix2; Mix3 or Mix4.

At the moment, I have my four headphone feeds going mono to
1L
1R
2L
2R

3R (mono) is being used for a mixcube I have.
3L (mono) is being used to feed a reamp box in the event I need that.

So... 4R/L is not being used, but I have set my main outs to receive signal from Mix4. Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of having outputs 4R and 4L?

2. So, to use the REV-X reverb or the channel strip on input, you can't send the output to the control room? Seriously?

3. Trying to monitor a recording input channel with reverb. I can figure out how to do it using the DSP-MIX-FX app, but I want to do it within Cubase.

I have set my input channel to Mono In 4 and my output channel to Mono Out, which routes to my Mixcube. (because I can't route it to my studio monitors, because they're set up for my control room.... grrr.....

I can see and adjust the reverb FX, adjust the send level, etc in the UR816C tab in the inspector. (which has finally shown up... yay!)

Nothing. Well.... I hear my voice, but no reverb.

However, if I go to the DSPMIXFX app, I can adjust it there, no problem.

Interestingly, though.... none of my channel faders - the input channel, the audio channel with the monitoring light enabled, nor the mono out channel to the mixcube, nor the volume knob on the control room strip.... none of them has any effect on the level at which I hear my voice coming out of the mixcube.

Adjusting the send amount to the RevX reverb in Cubase has no effect on the amount of reverb I hear.

Heh.... even turning off the monitoring button on the audio channel I'm recording to doesn't change anything.

Under Studio Setup, yes, I DO have the boxes checkboxed that say:
Load Scene Data from Project File
Channel Link setting follows created input/output bus configuration.

I have direct monitoring enabled, but even disabling that allows Cubase to "take over" or "over-ride" the DSPMIXFX settings.

4. How in the world do you determine what is being routed, and thus, adjust/change what is routed through the headphones on the front panel?



This is getting really discouraging.

Thanks to anyone who can help.

/sigh/

CT
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Re: UR816c routing questions

Post by axemanchris » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:17 pm

Hmmm....

So I had been trying to monitor through a mono channel previously. (Because control room doesn’t seem to work when using monitoring reverb... grrr..... so instead of monitoring through my studio monitors, which I would usually do, I was monitoring through my mixcube.

When I changed it to monitoring through the studio monitors - a stereo output - I could hear the reverb then and control the faders with success. Except..... the reverb coming through was pre-fader. I was hearing ONLY the reverb and NONE of the direct signal.

/sigh/

CT
Cubase Pro 10.5
Steinberg UR816c
Steinberg The Grand 3 VSTi
SSL X-Logic Alpha Channel
Universal Audio 610
Universal Audio UA-710
Daking Mic Pre One
3U Audio MKIV Warbler - (matched pair)
Rode K2
Sennheiser MD-441
AEA r92
Sennheiser e906
Shure SM7b
Studio Projects C4 mkII (matched pair)
Sennheiser MD421
Sennheiser e602
Sennheiser e835
Shure SM57 (x2)
Shure SM58
Behringer ADA8000

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Re: UR816c routing questions

Post by axemanchris » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:57 am

Well, if anyone is interested.... I'm SLOWLY figuring this out.

1. Okay, with ten output jacks in total, I guess it makes sense that one of those pairs mirrors another when it is advertised as 8 analog outputs.

However.... Sending the Mix 1L to headphone 1; Mix 1R to headphone 2, etc. seems to have been wrong-headed.

I found I should have been running UR816C Daw Direct 1 to headphone 1, UR816C Daw Direct 2 to headphone 2, etc. This seems to have sorted a lot of goofiness.

2. Still baffled (and a bit irked) that Control Room cannot be used when monitoring RevX or Morphing channel strip on the input bus. Seriously?!

So, my workaround is to use Mix 1R/L as my main out and select the headphone channel on Mix 1 also. And then - using a short patch cord, physically RE-PATCH the headphone out of the UR816 into an aux input of the headphone amp and send THAT out to the phones in my studio. Geeeeeezzzzzz.....

3. I was working on the premise that the DSP-MIX-FX app worked the same way as the old MR Editor with the MR816X. With the old MR Editor, you only needed to use that when you were not using Cubase. Everything - literally everything - including monitoring with REVX reverb using the control room - could be done within Cubase without having to launch the MR Editor editor.

It seems that this DSP-MIX-FX is required to be an adjunct to Cubase. Stuff just doesn't work properly unless you actually go in and use the adjunct app to support the routing within Cubase.

I'd like to be wrong about that, but I don't feel like I am.

4. In keeping with my answer to #3, the routing to the headphones cannot be done in Cubase. It must be done in the DSP-MIX-FX app. You've got your four tabs along the right - Mix 1, Mix 2, Mix 3, Mix 4. Choose which Mix channels get sent out to the phones out on the UR816C.

Holy hell.

I'm sure this is a great interface, but it has NOT been an easy learning curve - especially given that this seems to be an evolution of the old MR816, you'd think it would work more or less the same way.

As miffed as I am right now, I really do hope I come to love this one as much as the old one.

CT
Cubase Pro 10.5
Steinberg UR816c
Steinberg The Grand 3 VSTi
SSL X-Logic Alpha Channel
Universal Audio 610
Universal Audio UA-710
Daking Mic Pre One
3U Audio MKIV Warbler - (matched pair)
Rode K2
Sennheiser MD-441
AEA r92
Sennheiser e906
Shure SM7b
Studio Projects C4 mkII (matched pair)
Sennheiser MD421
Sennheiser e602
Sennheiser e835
Shure SM57 (x2)
Shure SM58
Behringer ADA8000

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