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Clip Gain

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:01 pm
by gs-dk
I have started on Nuendo now after MANY years with ProTools and Logic and a happy new-comer. BUT - I really miss the way clip gain works in proTools. They have really nailed it and I hope the clip gain could be improved in Nuendo in a closer way to ProTools.

Re: Clip Gain

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:41 pm
by Dietz
I don't see anything in the two applications you mentioned that couldn't be done in Nuendo the same way (or at least in a similar way), in that respect. ... as a matter if fact, Nuendo already had this feature a decade before. ;-)

What are you missing?

Re: Clip Gain

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:31 am
by ErikG
I do not want what PT has, its to limited,
I would like to keep what we have but steal the best parts from PT.
# Add dB readings when changing clip envelope.
# Draw envelope (not only click).
# Be able to draw the envelope using track fader.
# Push/pull cliplevel and envelope to from fader level automation.

However I do prefer the separation between envelope an clipper volume we have in Nuendo. In PT they are the same.

Re: Clip Gain

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:43 pm
by PeterGx
ErikG wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:31 am
I do not want what PT has, its to limited,
I would like to keep what we have but steal the best parts from PT.
# Add dB readings when changing clip envelope.
# Draw envelope (not only click).
# Be able to draw the envelope using track fader.
# Push/pull cliplevel and envelope to from fader level automation.

However I do prefer the separation between envelope an clipper volume we have in Nuendo. In PT they are the same.
- in PT, clip gain can go to + 36 dB (Nuendo envelope cannot go higher than 0, basicaly is an attenuation curve only)
- the whole curve in PT can be adjusted without switching tools
- clip gain curve is always visible
- select a range of points and nudge up/down in level, or move left/right (like in Nuendo automation)
- range can be selected without switching tools

Plus 3 of those things you are missing in Nuendo and Pro Tools has.

So where do you see the limitations?

Re: Clip Gain

Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:42 pm
by MattiasNYC
PeterGx wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:43 pm
- in PT, clip gain can go to + 36 dB (Nuendo envelope cannot go higher than 0, basicaly is an attenuation curve only)
Is this correct?

Re: Clip Gain

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:45 am
by audiomonkeys
Nuendo Clip gain goes to +24, Do you really want more? just adding noise! if a recording is so low that you need +32 db to bring it to usable level the guy should be fired!
just saying!

Re: Clip Gain

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:24 am
by PeterGx
MattiasNYC wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:42 pm
PeterGx wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:43 pm
- in PT, clip gain can go to + 36 dB (Nuendo envelope cannot go higher than 0, basicaly is an attenuation curve only)
Is this correct?
yes (PT 12.6)

Re: Clip Gain

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:04 am
by Dietz
MattiasNYC wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:42 pm
PeterGx wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:43 pm
- in PT, clip gain can go to + 36 dB (Nuendo envelope cannot go higher than 0, basicaly is an attenuation curve only)
Is this correct?
No. Nuendo differentiates between static gain (up to +24dB) and the clip's volume envelope, which is actually a huge benefit as it gives us some kind of "automation + trim" concept.

Re: Clip Gain

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:40 pm
by PeterGx
Dietz wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:04 am
MattiasNYC wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:42 pm
PeterGx wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:43 pm
- in PT, clip gain can go to + 36 dB (Nuendo envelope cannot go higher than 0, basicaly is an attenuation curve only)
Is this correct?
No. Nuendo differentiates between static gain (up to +24dB) and the clip's volume envelope, which is actually a huge benefit as it gives us some kind of "automation + trim" concept.
It's quite clear from the picture attached above that PT gain can go to +36 dB.
That was the answer to the question from MattiasNYC.

So you don't agree that envelope in Nuendo is an attenuator only?

Re: Clip Gain

Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:35 pm
by MattiasNYC
PeterGx wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:40 pm
It's quite clear from the picture attached above that PT gain can go to +36 dB.
That was the answer to the question from MattiasNYC.

So you don't agree that envelope in Nuendo is an attenuator only?
I was asking about Nuendo actually. Sorry that wasn't clear.

Re: Clip Gain

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:10 pm
by Dietz
PeterGx wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:40 pm
[...]
So you don't agree that envelope in Nuendo is an attenuator only?
Nuendo's Envelope (as part of the whole Clip Gain-feature) is attenuator, but only as long as you don't use it in combination with the static Clip Volume (as intended).

... that said, I have absolutely no objections to a re-designed Envelope which is able to boost volume, too! I just tried to make life easier for you. ;-)

Re: Clip Gain

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:35 am
by PeterGx
So the clip gain/envelope is supposedly superior in Nuendo, but it should be redesigned, so that it will have what Pro tools clip gain already has.

It does not sound very logical to me.

Re: Clip Gain

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:35 am
by Dietz
Then let's leave it at that - NP.

Re: Clip Gain

Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:49 am
by Jean-Michel B
The way that enveloppe is managed in Nuendo is above that PT does. The major improvement is that PT can convert automation in gain curve and vice versa. In PT, the edition tools are the same as you have in automation. There are tons of features that are best in Nuendo, but not this one.