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Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:21 pm
by jonji
+1 - Huge need for a solution

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:11 pm
by Clefmark
Has the new update release of Eucon 20.5.0 helped are their any issues with Nuendo 10.

Regards

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:29 am
by chednb
Clefmark wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:11 pm
Has the new update release of Eucon 20.5.0 helped are their any issues with Nuendo 10.

Regards
I do not have any issues with the latest Eucon version and N10.2.20 per se (crashes, freezes, etc...), except the known Eucon issues between Avid controllers (also the App) and Cubendo...

So my question is, did anybody already updatet to N10.3 and had a look if the mixer mirroring for example now works? Did they improve the Eucon adapter in N10.3? I didn't find any indications in the version history, but maybe (HOPEFULLY) they changed something under the hood?

cheers

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:23 pm
by basicX
no - there is no change!

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:11 pm
by Keyplayer
The app now crashes my Nuendo set up in 2 versions now, iPad and Android. The only way it seems to work, without crashing immediately, is on my Android PHONE. Even then, it might still crash.

This is nuts! 😡

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:16 am
by Keyplayer
I just updated my new Samsung Tab A tablet hoping against hope that Eucon 20.6 would finally work. It didn't. I started with an Empty Project and and added 16 MIDI, 16 Stereo and 8 Mono tracks. It crashed right after the addition of the mono tracks, which only took the count to 40! That's insane.

Anyone know it the Tango offers "Mirrored Mixing (hardware follows EVERY VIEW of the DAW)?

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:37 pm
by ErikG
IIRC TheTa go was limited to 260 channels incl inputs/outputs/groups etc

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:24 pm
by Keyplayer
ErikG wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:37 pm
IIRC TheTa go was limited to 260 channels incl inputs/outputs/groups etc
Does that count include the extenders?

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:26 am
by ErikG
Sorry but I don’t get what you mean by ”extenders”?
But if I remember correctly it is/was the max the meter bridge and thus the system could handle.

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:12 pm
by Keyplayer
ErikG wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:26 am
Sorry but I don’t get what you mean by ”extenders”?
But if I remember correctly it is/was the max the meter bridge and thus the system could handle.
I meant the extra fader modules. In all the tutorials I watched, they referred to them as extensions of the master module. So, you're saying that, regardless of having a 48 fader configuration, you'll still top out at 260 channels. That's what I was asking. Thanks.

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:12 pm
by GSlawson
I know I am late to the party here, but I have a Raven MTi2 and have been using it for a year. I am going to sell it because I still miss the tactile faders, but mostly because the Raven is best with Protools or Logic. Those DAW's have very nice faders that perfectly emulate their on screen counterparts. Not so much with Cubendo. It's kind of a klugey mixer interface. For 7 years I had the Euphonix Artist MC control surface, and the fader hiding was not an issue because I was doing post on ProTools. But when I moved to Nuendo I realized that the track hiding was an issue. After seeing everything about it here, I did find a workaround that will mean I will get an Avid Dock and an S1. If you memorize configurations, not only does it remember track visibility but also the Zone you choose. So in a post situation, you may easily have 80 tracks for a mix. I like to address groups like dialogue, ambience, foley as individual groups for balance before I start down the rabbit hole. I assigned only my dialogue to a configuration with its group fader and VCA, and put it on the left zone. When I instantiate that config, the faders stack from the left in order. I don't have to hunt them down. I know it's probably something everyone knows but maybe its a workaround for the faders not hiding? Like everyone here I would love to see the proper implementation but I need to keep working and I need to find something reasonable. $25,000 for Nuage isn't in my budget.

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:25 am
by ErikG
Keyplayer wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:12 pm
ErikG wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:26 am
Sorry but I don’t get what you mean by ”extenders”?
But if I remember correctly it is/was the max the meter bridge and thus the system could handle.
I meant the extra fader modules. In all the tutorials I watched, they referred to them as extensions of the master module. So, you're saying that, regardless of having a 48 fader configuration, you'll still top out at 260 channels. That's what I was asking. Thanks.
As far as i remember (many years have passed since I had a tango unit on loan) yes it is a limit of a system as such. I do not think it will show tracks above 260. Also note that tango is End of life and unsupported.

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:25 pm
by Keyplayer
ErikG wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:25 am
Keyplayer wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:12 pm
ErikG wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:26 am
Sorry but I don’t get what you mean by ”extenders”?
But if I remember correctly it is/was the max the meter bridge and thus the system could handle.
I meant the extra fader modules. In all the tutorials I watched, they referred to them as extensions of the master module. So, you're saying that, regardless of having a 48 fader configuration, you'll still top out at 260 channels. That's what I was asking. Thanks.
As far as i remember (many years have passed since I had a tango unit on loan) yes it is a limit of a system as such. I do not think it will show tracks above 260. Also note that tango is End of life and unsupported.
I am well aware of that. I kept waiting for the market to be flooded with Tango 2s at "Going Out Of Business Prices" and thought/hoped I could pick up a couple (Main + 2 Fader Packs) for relatively cheap. But that didn't happen, which sort of confirmed that it was a really good product and people were finding ways to make them work with any of the DAW updates. Last time I saw one for sale, it was close to $7K for a Tango 1(!!), which as you pointed out is E.O.L WITH ZERO SUPPORT, as the company has gone out of business. :o No way I was taking THAT gamble. :(

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:20 pm
by chednb
basicX wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:23 pm
no - there is no change!
ok... I'll try Nuendo 10.3 the next days and have a look.
It is a real pitty that nothing changes here for years now...

cheers

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:11 am
by chednb
yeah... as expected (sadly) nothing changed :(

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:32 pm
by jonji
FYI - Here's what Steinberg US Support told me back in early June 2020 when asked for clarification re: Eucon 3 updates in the future.

"Hi Jon,

I am not aware of this being updated at this time. I do apologize but there is not a way to edit the applet yourself.

If you have any further questions, please let us know.

Thank you,

Steinberg US Support"

To me this implies that they have abandoned refining/updating Eucon in Cubendo altogether. It would be really nice if someone from Steinberg would chime in here and clarify.

Cheers -

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:49 pm
by Keyplayer
jonji wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:32 pm
FYI - Here's what Steinberg US Support told me back in early June 2020 when asked for clarification re: Eucon 3 updates in the future.

"Hi Jon,

I am not aware of this being updated at this time. I do apologize but there is not a way to edit the applet yourself.

If you have any further questions, please let us know.

Thank you,

Steinberg US Support"

To me this implies that they have abandoned refining/updating Eucon in Cubendo altogether. It would be really nice if someone from Steinberg would chime in here and clarify.

Cheers -
Well, all of us Eucon Users are clearly screwed now! :o :x 😤

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:57 pm
by Splaaat
I've been enjoying my S3 with Nuendo, but yes some update to Eucon from Steinberg's side would be great. Over on Avid's forum, they seem to be quite responsive and genuinely seem to be interested in supporting Nuendo.

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:50 am
by chednb
jonji wrote:
Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:32 pm
FYI - Here's what Steinberg US Support told me back in early June 2020 when asked for clarification re: Eucon 3 updates in the future.

"Hi Jon,

I am not aware of this being updated at this time. I do apologize but there is not a way to edit the applet yourself.

If you have any further questions, please let us know.

Thank you,

Steinberg US Support"

To me this implies that they have abandoned refining/updating Eucon in Cubendo altogether. It would be really nice if someone from Steinberg would chime in here and clarify.

Cheers -
I wrote and called the support already a few times...
Maybe it helps when lots of us keep on writing them! They need to know that there is a (huge) need for improvements on the EUCON implementation.
It is so awkward that even for example my cheap Faderport generartion 1 can handle and communicate nudge and banking commands with Nuendo, but my 1.000€+ S1 Controller not :roll:

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:12 pm
by chednb
This is a joke, isn't it?
https://www.steinberg.net/de/products/n ... tions.html

Steinberg really (officially) promotes AVID controllers as third party solutions?!?
In my opinion, all the customers are fooled, because if you are not doing any research in advance regarding the compatibility betwenn Steinberg software and AVID controllers, and you believe Steinberg and AVID what they are telling you (fully functional EUCON controllers bla bla bla...), then you fall into the trap as we all did.

This is sad...

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:23 pm
by Keyplayer
chednb wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:12 pm
This is a joke, isn't it?
https://www.steinberg.net/de/products/n ... tions.html

Steinberg really (officially) promotes AVID controllers as third party solutions?!?
In my opinion, all the customers are fooled, because if you are not doing any research in advance regarding the compatibility betwenn Steinberg software and AVID controllers, and you believe Steinberg and AVID what they are telling you (fully functional EUCON controllers bla bla bla...), then you fall into the trap as we all did.

This is sad...

While I absolutely agree with your viewpoint here, there MAY actually be some merritt here. The add ONLY SHOWS THE BIG CONSOLES ($100k). I can't find anyone using Sys 5/MC, S4 or S6 who has any of the problems we're (S3 and under) having. You wouldn't expect them to have any of those problems at that price point. But for the rest of us................................ I'm convinced that all of this BS is designed to force us to switch to Pro Tools to get the full benefit of the lower priced hardware. :x

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:36 am
by chednb
Keyplayer wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:23 pm
While I absolutely agree with your viewpoint here, there MAY actually be some merritt here. The add ONLY SHOWS THE BIG CONSOLES ($100k). I can't find anyone using Sys 5/MC, S4 or S6 who has any of the problems we're (S3 and under) having. You wouldn't expect them to have any of those problems at that price point. But for the rest of us................................ I'm convinced that all of this BS is designed to force us to switch to Pro Tools to get the full benefit of the lower priced hardware. :x
mhhh... I don't know / think so.
All the controllers, whether S1 or S6 or in between, are based on EUCON.
So all the software interfaces (the core) between EUCON and Steinberg software should be the same, whether a S1 or S6 is communicating.
I also asked in the DUC forum and Eddie replied https://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=405024
I think the bugs exist with all of the AVID / EUCON controllers.

cheers

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:43 am
by chednb
For example the bank / nudge bug...
Nuendo knows that a bank or nudge command is incoming, because you see it on the small highlighted grey lines on the tracks.
But it simply does not scroll / navigate, whether in the project window, nor in the mixer... So to me, this sounds more like a EUCON implementation bug in Nuendo...
@Keyplayer: so in your point of view, a S6 or S4 would have to send a different bank / nudge command via EUCON than a S1 or S3?!
I can't imagine this is the case... because bank / nudge are such basic and fundamental commands. But yeah, maybe you are right, that would be a big hoax!

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:44 pm
by Keyplayer
chednb wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:43 am
For example the bank / nudge bug...
Nuendo knows that a bank or nudge command is incoming, because you see it on the small highlighted grey lines on the tracks.
But it simply does not scroll / navigate, whether in the project window, nor in the mixer... So to me, this sounds more like a EUCON implementation bug in Nuendo...
@Keyplayer: so in your point of view, a S6 or S4 would have to send a different bank / nudge command via EUCON than a S1 or S3?!
I can't imagine this is the case... because bank / nudge are such basic and fundamental commands. But yeah, maybe you are right, that would be a big hoax!
Here's what I know. Avid has been saying relentlessly that Eucon for the "Big Desks" is NOT THE SAME as the Artist Series/S3!! They have made a federal case about this, using it as the reason that YOU CAN'T MIX AND MATCH THESE COMPONENTS. You can't use Artist Mix faders with the S5 Control MC to save a couple of bucks. You can't use S6 displays with an S3. Absolutely ANY workaround you could come up with by combining various levels of hardware has been TOTALLY BLOCKED (Who would buy an S6 if they could link 2 S3's and a Dock? So, the S3 is the ONLY unit that cannot be linked). All of these issues have been explained away ad nausea, by saying there is a "PRO EUCON" and, for lack of a better term, a "CONSUMER EUCON."

Re: EUCON Update!

Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:27 am
by chednb
Keyplayer wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:44 pm

Here's what I know. Avid has been saying relentlessly that Eucon for the "Big Desks" is NOT THE SAME as the Artist Series/S3!! They have made a federal case about this, using it as the reason that YOU CAN'T MIX AND MATCH THESE COMPONENTS. You can't use Artist Mix faders with the S5 Control MC to save a couple of bucks. You can't use S6 displays with an S3. Absolutely ANY workaround you could come up with by combining various levels of hardware has been TOTALLY BLOCKED (Who would buy an S6 if they could link 2 S3's and a Dock? So, the S3 is the ONLY unit that cannot be linked). All of these issues have been explained away ad nausea, by saying there is a "PRO EUCON" and, for lack of a better term, a "CONSUMER EUCON."
So the big question would be, if anybody with an S4 or higher can confirm all the mentioned bugs in this thread?! Already asked at the german distributor SMM, but no detailed answer so far...