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Re: Direct offline processing barely usable...

Post by Thorsten Marx » Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:00 pm

Hallo Oliver,
Izotope may have to provide an update. We're in touch with them and they are testing with Nuendo 8.

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Post by heisenberg9 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:02 am

Thorsten, that is great news. Thank you for communicating with us.
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Re: Direct offline processing barely usable...

Post by Thorsten Marx » Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:41 pm

Auto Tune only makes effect when preview but not appled.
We can't reproduce that issue with Autotune 8.1 Any details?

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Re: Direct offline processing barely usable...

Post by mozizo » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:35 am

Thorsten Marx wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:41 pm
Auto Tune only makes effect when preview but not appled.
We can't reproduce that issue with Autotune 8.1 Any details?

Thanks,
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i use autotune on audio clips in graphical mode, when i preview the changes i done in DOP,i can hear the changes,but when playing the actual audio from nuendos project ,autotune does not affect the audio clip, even when i perform the"make all permanent "function, or bouncing the audio clip.
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Re: Direct offline processing barely usable...

Post by Thorsten Marx » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:46 pm

Hello Mozizo,
got it, confirmed, thanks.
We'll analyse why this doesn't work.

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Re: Direct offline processing barely usable...

Post by kamilsaj » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:36 pm

any info when can we expect working solution for izotope connect?

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Post by Thorsten Marx » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:00 pm

Hi Kamil,
our upcoming Nuendo update will have a modified apply mechanism that will no longer require the "bypass-trick".

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Post by kamilsaj » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:04 pm

Thank you!

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Post by Bernhard » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:40 pm

As a beta tester I already work with the upcomming Nuendo 8.1 version and want to share my N8.1 workfow for RX Connect,
so it is right available for you when you start with version 8.1.

As already mentioned, RX connect in not a usual plugin, it just simulates a plugin to transfer audio back and forth between the applications.
This has 2 consequences:

(1)
Nuendo has no possibility to recreate edits when recalculation of the DOP history is necessary.

(2)
Nuendo can't recognize the state of the plugin, whether it is sending or ready to receive edited content.

To avoid any errors introduced by this limitation I use the following workflow:

- I have "auto-apply" enabled all the time, for me this is the fastes way to work with DOP.
- To send a clip to RX editor I simply call the plugin either via menu, keycommand or from the DOP gui.
- After clicking "send back" in RX editor I run the following nuendo keycommand macro:

"toggle auto apply"
"toggle auto apply"
"make all permanent"

("toggling auto apply" makes Nuendo write the receive buffer from the plugin into the clip and
"make all permanent" avoids that thing can get screwed up accindetly trying to change DOP history.)

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Re: Direct offline processing barely usable...

Post by basicX » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:51 pm

Just to makes things easy - why doesn't we see SB and iZotope go the ARA way? It would quit easy resolve an issue and would bring the fastest editing possible.
Its nice to see 8.1 is at least in a beta test. Please make sure real pro users are involved. 8.0 seem to lag a lot of pro view! Sorry to say that, but it really went out quite awful...

We really hope to have a useable and stable software soon. 8.0 is far off yet. And we all played some bucks for an early beta state... Please don't let us down - again...

All the best and back to 7 for some real work...

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Post by Oliver.Lucas » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:43 am

basicX wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:51 pm
Just to makes things easy - why doesn't we see SB and iZotope go the ARA way? It would quit easy resolve an issue and would bring the fastest editing possible.
Its nice to see 8.1 is at least in a beta test. Please make sure real pro users are involved. 8.0 seem to lag a lot of pro view! Sorry to say that, but it really went out quite awful...

We really hope to have a useable and stable software soon. 8.0 is far off yet. And we all played some bucks for an early beta state... Please don't let us down - again...

All the best and back to 7 for some real work...

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Re: Direct offline processing

Post by ChrisPolus » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:20 am

Bernhard wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:40 pm
want to share my N8.1 workfow for RX Connect, so it is right available for you when you start with version 8.1.
...
To avoid any errors introduced by this limitation I use the following workflow
THIS is the recommended workflow with the upcoming 8.1? Sounds still terrible. I don't know if in 8.1 Steinberg only adds a quick fix so at least it works with RX Connect, but this still seems like a lot of clicks and steps to take, none to be forgotten, and quite error prone. But when "improving" DOP which I think is a really FABULOUS feature otherwise, I would have wished for Steinberg and iZotope to lead the way and come up with something other DAW manufacturers look to in awe and think "damn, why haven't we invented this". I think ARA is a great technology, but I don't know its limitations and why it isn't being adopted by Steinberg. There we have something of a standard that seems to allow plugins great offline processing power, yet Nuendo tries to drive its own way and breaking many things for existing users.

As I said. DOP is really great with most plugins, but the SNAFU with iZotope just shouldn't have happened. And the described "workflow" is no workflow, it is a daunting step by step workaround where you better not forget anything along the way or you're back to square 1. This should be a one click operation. Not a manual to follow and internalize to muscle memory each time you send something through RX Connect. I'll stay off RX Connect until iZotope comes up with an update that works as I have a terrible muscle memory ;)
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Re: Direct offline processing barely usable...

Post by basicX » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:37 am

Simple answere to ARA: Steinberg didn't invented it! They avoid others technology - which is a really bad behavior.
ARA is, and will be a way better solution than anything SB come up with so far.
If iZotope might go the ARA way (which isn't clear yet), DAWs like StudioOne will be that much ahead, it will be ridicules.

Nuendo is such a powerful DAW, but the product managment is really unsatisfying! New features are really not as important as working workflows in professional inviroments. We have to deliver high quality audio in very short amount of time, every day!
When i read workflow workarounds like the one above, i simply have to cry. As a beta team, you guys need to scream an tell to implement something that is usable and working - not to discover a way aorund a broken feature. It's really sad to be honest ... You need to help them to improve - not to help 'em to get away with it ;-)

I really hope i don't have to stay at 7 ... I paid for N8 ... At least it should be as usable as 7.

DOP could be a nice tool - when working. So far, it's a nice idear that seems it wasn't tested at all :(

thats all,
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Re: Direct offline processing barely usable...

Post by Oliver.Lucas » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:34 pm

Well, the toggle autoplay macro that I hope will work in DOP in N8.1 as Bernhard would be a start.
When will this be released?
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Post by Armand Rochette » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:06 am

Hi everyone.

We are glad to announce that most of the aforementioned concerns will be fixed in the upcoming update of 8.1.
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Post by basicX » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:37 pm

we are glad to hear that! But, will we see the updated coming anytime soon?
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Re: Direct offline processing barely usable...

Post by Oliver.Lucas » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:35 pm

Armand Rochette wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:06 am
Hi everyone.

We are glad to announce that most of the aforementioned concerns will be fixed in the upcoming update of 8.1.
Well, roll it out then. We're certainly ready for it...
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Re: Direct offline processing barely usable...

Post by ChrisPolus » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:07 pm

Armand Rochette wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:06 am
...that most of the aforementioned concerns...
The question also is which "most" that is ;)
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Post by Oliver.Lucas » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:46 pm

ChrisPolus wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:07 pm
Armand Rochette wrote:
Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:06 am
...that most of the aforementioned concerns...
The question also is which "most" that is ;)
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Re: Direct offline processing barely usable...

Post by eddyzenl » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:57 am

Any news? back to N7 because I need RX all the time.

And the direct offline feature sometimes bugging not only on RX, but also on other VST plugs.....

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Re: Direct offline processing barely usable...

Post by mozizo » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:16 pm

updated to N8.1 but the DOP is the same with Antares auto-tune 8,not functioning ! any ideas why or how to solve it? (have to go back to N7 only for this !)
mozizo wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:35 am
Thorsten Marx wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:41 pm
Auto Tune only makes effect when preview but not appled.
We can't reproduce that issue with Autotune 8.1 Any details?

Thanks,
Thorsten
Hi.
autotune 8.1,nuendo 8(upgraded from 7),win10
i use autotune on audio clips in graphical mode, when i preview the changes i done in DOP,i can hear the changes,but when playing the actual audio from nuendos project ,autotune does not affect the audio clip, even when i perform the"make all permanent "function, or bouncing the audio clip.
Edit:
Did a screen capture with exaggerated example (bad video quality,but understandable i hope)
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any comment or news on that Thorsten Marx ? the combination of Vari-Audio and Autotune 8.1 on audio clips is main workflow for me on pitch correction works
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Re: Direct offline processing barely usable...

Post by mozizo » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:26 am

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Re: Direct offline processing barely usable...

Post by AlexBell » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:38 am

Hi, I actually like the new DOP workflow, but one thing I don't understand is why it remembers your last plug-in/settings when you work on a totally different clip? I go via the plug-in menu to select Izotope De-click for example and then the DOP presents me with the high pass filter I used last week. :-o

Is this a setting I can turn off?

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Re: Direct offline processing barely usable...

Post by MattiasNYC » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:40 pm

Do you mean it always chooses the last used plugin even if you choose a different one in the plugin menu?
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Re: Direct offline processing barely usable...

Post by AlexBell » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:41 am

Yes serrie bob. Small bug perhaps?

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