Re: TAPE-STYLE VARISPEED
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:18 pm
Right, thanks. I have done that in the past. Having one single knob to slow down/speed up the project instead, as mentioned above, does seem a lot nicer.
Alexis....I did find what you need.
Awesome! ... Great job!! .... Thank you!!!digi001 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:18 pm...
Alexis....I did find what you need.
http://www.thewhippinpost.co.uk/tools/t ... ulator.htm
BPM to Semitones and Semitone to BPM, is what you are looking for.
Yes! Saves the big project bounce.
Soory, wrong link, but they're both very useful!MrSoundman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:51 pmhttp://www.sengpielaudio.com/Calculations03.htm
Yes indeed! Thank you, Mr. Soundman!MrSoundman wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 1:55 pmSoory, wrong link, but they're both very useful!
Brandy, thanks for a very clear answer. I can see where this kind of program feature might be interesting.Brandy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:00 pm
well, these time stretch options are more or less for editing events - for fixing performance as well as for creativity etc.
The varispeed we are talking about is some kind of a "master speed override" which enables us to playback the full project (incl EVERYTHING) in a different speed - when tape machine style then with altered pitch as well... This can be useful for:
- creativity/sound (like digi001 described)
- for recording complex stuff in a bit lowered tempo (not always a good thing to do but sometimes it can be handy)
- for recording vocals which are a bit out of range of the singer (just record it slower/lower - often just a bit does the trick)
all these things were some kind of "butter and bread" in days of tape recording - they had basically nothing but THIS was possible
In our case we basically have everything - but this is not possible
in my case there is another kind of use:
- for practicing new material, I am a drummer, I often have to play fast and complex stuff, maybe prior to recording it.. so lets have the playback 20% slowed down, learn it, practice, now only 10% down... practice.. then regular speed, practice and record it.
I tried to use Logic on my macbook for this but it is too complicated/time consuming to transfer all the stuff from Cubase to Logic.. and I still do not have a clue about using Logic
digi001, I see. It's an interesting idea however, for me, it's not a top priority. Maybe in the future this kind of feature will be made part of Cubase, variable speed was one of the good things about linear tape in terms of it being used as a creative medium. Anyway, thanks for answering and explaining this a bit more.digi001 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:38 pmFor synths.... it's mostly a trick of being able to play it fast enough, but still be human and have a groove. (Makes it kind of sound like early electronica BBC, not the new crap). Sometimes the sound will change (if it has alot of contour and vibrato, but otherwise sometimes cant hear a difference)Stephen57 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:10 pmWhat's the purpose of doing this?digi001 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:37 pm
I should clarify....I'm not sure you understand my application.
I AM trying to use this just like a Tape Machine.
Not trying to do a Tape Drop FX.
Not trying to time warp every single audio file in my project, record something, then un-warp every audio file back. (would also include converting any Midi files to audio first)
I record my 'Actual' Synths using Audio channels. They are hardware synths.
I slow the entire track down to something like -5 semitones or -12 semitones. Play the part on the synth -5 semitones or -12 semitones as well on the keyboard, then speed it all back up. (works cool sometimes the other way too) In the same vein of the piano part on the track 'In my life' by the Beatles if you ever heard of them
*I actually switched to Logic 9/X and used this for a few years solely because of the Tape-Style varispeed and 1 or 2 other features. It's really important to me and part of my workflow.
Now sometimes I will have a Piano or Electric Piano or other World Sound as MIDI in my project since I don't have space or own these instruments. What is great about the Logic X varispeed is that it pitches these down as well during varispeed.
For most other stuff, it totally changes the timbre of the sound.
Excellent method, Steve.-steve- wrote: ↑Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:33 pmWow. This topic has been completely hijacked, so I will continue the hijacking.
Even though the OP asked for a single knob to control tempo, people are asking for different things here- all of it involves changing the playback speed using the tape algo, but the purpose is different.
My workaround is for recording at a slower tempo in a project with a tempo changes in the tempo track:
Create a new track version of the tempo track by duplicating the existing one.
Scale the entire tempo track slower
Now you can switch between the two tempi using track versions. (make sure all tracks you want to change tempo for are set to Musical Time Base)
I have to mention this again because it really is a neat little tool ... I know you'd have to render a track, run it through this etc., but for the amount of times I've had to do this, it's really not a problem. You really have to try this out, if only for the fun of it! (it's not really free -- we should donate to support these developers who solve such problems!)
I noted that link and will most likely try this program at some point. Thanks for mentioning it.MrSoundman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:27 amI have to mention this again because it really is a neat little tool ... I know you'd have to render a track, run it through this etc., but for the amount of times I've had to do this, it's really not a problem. You really have to try this out, if only for the fun of it! (it's not really free -- we should donate to support these developers who solve such problems!)