Hiding piano pedal lines

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Hiding piano pedal lines

Post by USHLT » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:33 am

New at Dorico (been waiting since v1 until Dorico was good enough to jump ship from my once-beloved but now lagging Sibelius - 3.0 finally was good enough!). For piano parts, I'm used to using pedal lines to approximate a piano's sustain, then just hiding them. Apparently not possible in Dorico, how should this be done? I only care about approximating the performance, not actually notating every pedal change in the piece.

On a related note, harp doesn't seem to sustain at all?

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Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Post by dankreider » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:41 am

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When you hide the pedal line completely, you get a signpost that can be selected as needed. You can filter-select all pedal lines and hide them this way in one fell swoop.
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Post by Daniel at Steinberg » Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:17 pm

If you don't want to manually hide pedal lines using the Properties panel, another option is to simply write in the pedal instructions using data in the MIDI controller lane in Play mode, assigning values to controller 64 as you find necessary.

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Post by Craig F » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:03 pm

Daniel at Steinberg wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:17 pm
If you don't want to manually hide pedal lines using the Properties panel, another option is to simply write in the pedal instructions using data in the MIDI controller lane in Play mode, assigning values to controller 64 as you find necessary.
Ooo, neat trick. Thanks for that. I use hidden pedal lines to simulate an arpeggiation effect on Plucked Strings.
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Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Post by USHLT » Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:51 am

Thanks Dan and Daniel! I saw the continuation type of None, but it still left "Ped". Didn't see a "None" option for sign appearance. Not sure what "hook" means. I'll have to play around with the MIDI version as well, but using pedal lines is probably the easier to manage.

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Post by dankreider » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:18 am

“Hook” just refers to what sort of preliminary material you want to display: the pedal glyph and all its variants. In this case, “hook” means you just want the line by itself. But of course it’s already been hidden, so the result is Nemo.
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Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Post by pianoleo » Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:21 am

I'm wondering if USHLT is referring to the Ped glyph that will appear on the next system, should the pedal line cross from one system to another. If that's the case, the only real workaround is to select that sign in Engrave mode and drag it off the page.
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Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Post by USHLT » Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:03 am

Kinda weird behavior doing it this way. There's no signpost shown. But in the "View->Signposts" menu, there's an entry for Pedal Lines. So how do you ever get pedal line signposts?

Also can't seem to select them at all once they're hidden (selecting both piano staves through the entire flow and then filter->pedal lines shows only "Common" in the properties) unless I do a Select All on the entire score and then Filter->Pedal Lines.

I can work with it, but seems like there should be another way.

pianoleo - hadn't noticed that :-) generally my pedal lines for playback are less than a measure, though.

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Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Post by dankreider » Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:06 am

Not sure what you're doing wrong, but wait for it...

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Do you have Pedal Lines checked in the signposts menu?
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Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Post by USHLT » Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:13 am

Ah, the signposts are above the very top staff (flute). Had not expected that. :-)

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Re: Hiding piano pedal lines

Post by dankreider » Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:19 am

USHLT wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:13 am
Ah, the signposts are above the very top staff (flute). Had not expected that. :-)
I agree that doesn’t seem intuitive. On the other hand, the signposts can really clutter up the score if they’re between staves.
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