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Distorted slur positioning

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:47 am
by randywombat
Dorico produces this result by default:
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Is this intended? I don't pretend to understand all the subtleties of slur positioning and I appreciate this is a difficult case, but not a rare one. But to my amateur eye, the slur would look better if it was rotated so that the left end connected more closely with the stem and the right end was further from the notehead.

Adjusting settings in Engraving Options > Slurs > Avoiding Collisions doesn't seem to make a difference.

Re: Distorted slur positioning

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:37 am
by LSalgueiro
What version of Dorico are you using? I haven't seen this since 1.0. Quite strange.

Re: Distorted slur positioning

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:54 am
by UMahnken
In this context - is it possible to rotate a slur?

Re: Distorted slur positioning

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:25 pm
by randywombat
LSalgueiro wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:37 am
What version of Dorico are you using? I haven't seen this since 1.0. Quite strange.
I'm on 2.1.20 on Mac. Can you reproduce it?

And it's very hard to rotate the slur -- you have to do it slowly and carefully by dragging multiple handles.

Re: Distorted slur positioning

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:46 pm
by Thomas Eberth
I can reproduce the shape of the slur.

If you alt-click the left handle of the slur in Engrvae mode, it's easy to adjust it.

Thomas

Re: Distorted slur positioning

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:54 pm
by randywombat
Thanks. In the end, the best solution for me was to flip the slur under the notes, which looks neat and is also more compact vertically. But the original query remains -- I have a feeling that Dorico ought to do a better job than this by default.

Re: Distorted slur positioning

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:48 am
by Kim Bastin
Gould (p. 110) implies that placing the slur below the notes is preferable in this situation, but Dorico doesn’t (yet?) implement that recommendation.

Re: Distorted slur positioning

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:56 am
by k_b
Thomas Eberth wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:46 pm
I can reproduce the shape of the slur.

If you alt-click the left handle of the slur in Engrvae mode, it's easy to adjust it.

Thomas
Thomas, to specify/clarify:
to move/rotate the whole slur one will have to use the mouse after alt-clicking. Using the arrow keys after alt-clicking will not work the desired way (as it will only move the one handle).

Re: Distorted slur positioning

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:11 am
by MarcLarcher
Actually I think Thomas was referring to the (very helpful) alt- click&drag the handle behavior, which makes it very faster edits with slurs.

Re: Distorted slur positioning

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:04 pm
by randywombat
Another bad slur positioning choice by Dorico:
Screenshot 2018-10-29 at 16.02.06.jpg
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Re: Distorted slur positioning

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:34 pm
by david-p
Without seeing more of this score, it is hard to understand why the F and A minims are not on the upper stave, or the bottom F (which looks like an organ pedal part) on its own stave. :)

David

Re: Distorted slur positioning

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:50 pm
by randywombat
david-p wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:34 pm
Without seeing more of this score, it is hard to understand why the F and A minims are not on the upper stave, or the bottom F (which looks like an organ pedal part) on its own stave. :)
I agree (at least on the first point), but I didn't choose how to notate it.

Re: Distorted slur positioning

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:34 pm
by András at Steinberg
At the moment Dorico is not able to correctly position slurs for inner voices. What you can do is to switch on `Disable auto curve adjustment` property of the slur in engrave mode, and if necessary adjust the slur manually afterwards.

Re: Distorted slur positioning

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:50 am
by randywombat
Thanks, András!