noiseboyuk wrote:1) Why do you constantly come here to bleat about 8 when you (presumably) have a perfectly good working earlier version while you wait for your issue to be fixed? Haven't you got music to make?
* I don't "constantly come here to bleat about 8" - check and read my post history please. I'm having a discussion in a thread that interests me, because I have a similar experience.
* Previous version is workable enough, but certainly not perfect.
* Still making music too.
noiseboyuk wrote:2) More seriously though, I found the tone of the thread subject and some of the posts fairly obnoxious. As one of the mods pointed out in another thread, Cubase is coded by actual human beings (read their names in the About screen) , all no doubt fallible but working hard and bringing us class-leading features. As many others have pointed out, no software version is perfect right out of the gate, and anyone assuming so does need a reality check.
Never said I expected perfect, actually pointed that out explicitly. I do expect better though. In regards to the actual human beings: Yes, that's why we're trying to have a discussion about this, it's called communication. There's no need to give additional thanks prior to having this discussion, I already gave thanks with my wallet when I bought 8.0.
noiseboyuk wrote:Actually I found 8.0.0 amazingly usable for a very first version - some irritations and quirks for sure, but nothing showstopping. I was expecting to dip my toe in the water then retreat back to something more solid, but I never did. Try being a Pro Tools user if you want to experience something made by a company that really does not seem to care about its users, who let genuinely debilitating bugs drag on not for weeks or months, but years. I guesstimate it was 18 months til PT11 worked reliably with video playback - from Avid, market leaders in digital video. And still it randomly freezes for me from time to time. Oh, and if HD users don't pay $600 every year, their licenses are frozen and can never be upgraded in the future.
How do you like them apples?
You're talking pears here. I am a regular PT user too, I'm very well aware of what's going on in that space. But in no way is the state of PT an excuse for Steinberg. Also, I was clear to state that this
Cubase release is the one that feels worse to me, compared to past experiences.
noiseboyuk wrote:So sorry if not all of us are ready to whine and moan and whinge about their 82 euro upgrade.
I appreciate that, but then again, you weren't asked to whine with me. And that's even assuming that I'm 'whining' - I don't think I am, I think I've actually been pretty reasonable so far.
noiseboyuk wrote:In answer to your question, that's why I come here - there's still work to be done, of course. But I'd rather catalogue these individual issues in the way that Steinberg wants, issue by issue, with replication instructions to give them a chance, nudge others to add their voice if they are affected by a particular gremlin.
But this thread is not about fixing individual issues. It's about the whole picture. Yes, we all have to work on communicating the issues the way Steinberg wants, I fully agree.
noiseboyuk wrote:...when many are using it perfectly well right from the get go (and I am sorry if that inconvenient fact irritates you).
It doesn't irritate me what-so-ever, not sure how you got that impression.
noiseboyuk wrote:Think about it - how constructive is this thread really? What does it achieve beyond being a vague rant hoping others will join in and getting irked when they don't?
Seriously good point. Of course this thread could be constructive, I've already tried to discuss with others here how to improve this in the future: Official beta program, mark a release for what it is, transparency. It would be nice if we could discuss those points, instead of having to continuously be lambasted for even trying to talk about it.
This thread is about "Cubase being released early". Points that I consider relevant/constructive to that topic are the following points:
* Yes, I agree, I feel the same.
* No, I don't agree, I don't feel the same.
* What can we agree on to do about it.
* What do we expect from Steinberg.
Points that I consider irrelevant/nonconstructive to that discussion are:
* You're whining.
* This is not a constructive discussion, we should just log single bugs.
* You're crazy to expect it to be better.
I'd gladly talk about the relevant points, but what I see most is folks coming in and dismissing those points with the points I consider irrelevant. Although, I'm always willing to learn, so maybe you can logically explain why the latter 3 points would be relevant to this discussion?
noiseboyuk wrote:Ach. Maybe the news this week has brought a bit of needed perspective. Reading things like "disappointed doesn't even come close" when folks say that the mixer width isn't always remembered when re-opening a project (when the fix is literally one click and drag away in the zoom dialog) seems rather silly - at best. Steinberg sure isn't perfect - if I talked to them directly I'd probably not stop for a week about ideas I'd like to see for improvements. But I really do appreciate where we are now, where Cubase is next to their competitors, and mindful that the company is made of men and women with lives and families who are working hard to keep on pushing forward. A tiny bit of recognition of this and a slightly less combative approach from some here would probably be beneficial all round.
So from me to Steinberg - Cubase 8 Pro rocks, and thanks. And looking forward to it rocking even more.
And finally - why not. Je Suis Charlie.
While I agree with the sentiment of perspective, the logical conclusion is then that there should be no reason to lambaste people that want to discuss (what they consider to be) the relevant points to this topic? In fact, the perspective should have thought us that it's fine to have people discuss the thing they want to discuss. You seem to be indicating that that might not be your opinion, in which case your last point could be considered to be hypocritical.