Sorry for very late response. Not leaving this discussion, was busy over past few weeks.
Let me help you there:
Be assured that our opinion on the quality of this release will not be adjusted by the fact that it works fine for you
Sounds pretty irritated to me.
No, all that says is that you can be pretty sure that people who are having problems and feel that C8 was not ready for public release, won't change their opinion because others don't have problems.
noiseboyuk wrote:So to be clear. A thread is started boldly stating (not questioning) that C8 was not ready for public release. Some loudly agree. However, when it is pointed out that many are getting on with it fine - yes, very much including those of us who use it for a living - this is of no relevance whatsoever. Indeed, we are to "be assured" of its irrelvance. Ditto when you compare with competitors at 10x the price yet far worse performance, this is also brushed aside as irrelevant.
I did post that "I have no issues" is a valid response to the initial part of the discussion in this thread. However, people of the opinion that "there are issues, and because of that C8 feels to be released early" were then trying to discuss how the current state could be improved upon in the future. "I have no issues" is irrelevant to that part of the discussion, unless it's used as an argument to not discuss how to improve the current state can be improved upon in the future - which in turn for those that have problems, isn't really an option?
I hope you understand the difference as to what your point "I have no problems" is relevant to, versus what it isn't?
noiseboyuk wrote:It's the definitive point at which this thread demonstrates it has no value.
This thread having no value is your opinion, and you're entitled to it. My opinion is really different, so that does make your point not definitive (let's be precise here, "this is the point for me
" would have been more suitable, your point is certainly not "the definitive" point).
More importantly though, if this thread really has no value for you, why do you keep coming back and try to force your opinion that "I have no issues" is sufficient argument to stop any parts of this discussion?
noiseboyuk wrote:Regardless of what facts and opinions are considered, it will not matter.
Exactly what I was thinking. Thanks for confirming that through your post.
noiseboyuk wrote:Some folks here want a jolly good rant, and they're going to have it, inconvenient facts be dammned, and shame on us for spoiling that particular ranty party.
noiseboyuk wrote:As for the idea that now the thread should about turn and become more cerebral and analytical - perhaps starting with a less infantile subject header might be a thought.
Noted. Any valid suggestions for a better header so that you don't need to resort to hyperbole to be able to describe it to your satisfaction?
noiseboyuk wrote:I would love nothing more than to spend 2 hours going through everything else point by point (as we all know there's nothing more intellectually stimulating that reading forum arguments that spiral into ever decreasing circles of petulance after all), but I really must be off to earn that living.
Yep, your post shows clearly that you're not bothered to take the time to read some of the constructive posts in this thread. The little time you have must be spent not on arguing the better points, but rather on cherry-picking things you think are easy to argue in your favour, and spewing more hyperbole on how you're not interested in this thread.
Note that all the time you spent on writing that post, you could have spent on discussing how the current situation could be improved upon. And I would have gladly discussed that with you, or anyone else for that matter.
Steinberg improving the quality of their initial release now - even with zero effect on you - would maybe save you from some issues at the next release, when things maybe don't work out for you as well (and I might have zero issues)... you know what they say about karma.
Anyway, as I already wrote before, I really don't mind your opinion about having no problems. It's just not relevant to the part of the discussion I want to have. Feel free to chime in with some value add as to how Steinberg can ensure the quality of their initial releases can be improved upon in the future?