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Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:01 pm
by DaDa
As we learned here :
http://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtopi ... 870#p10870

The Mixer channels are all gray now.
No more channel type colors. ( like purple for FX returns, green for VST instrument audio channels, etc. )

Please bring this back ... at least as an option !

bye, Jan
P.S. feel free to close / delete the other thread, as my question about the general coloring has been answered.

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:16 pm
by Ian s
I rely a lot on the visual cues from track backgrounds coloured by type, as well as the assignable track title colours, to navigate quickly around the mixer. Especially when the track count gets high.

assuming that this behaviour is confirmed, +1 for having it sorted ASAP.

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:16 pm
by patcub
I agree 100%. This is a nightmare. I can already imagine myself scrolling through 90 grey tracks, looking for a audio track or a FX channel.

The colors used to make this easier than it is now.

Please Steinberg, I don't deserve this PITA behaviour. Please.

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:17 pm
by JMCecil
Ok, I'll re-iterate what I think the "best for me" solution would be ...

Kill FX and Group tracks as types. They have always been an unnecessary stopgap IMO.

1) Add the ability to color fader backgrounds much like you can the track color strip at the bottom.
2) Save the color as part of a track/channel preset (save other things like sends ... pan law/type etc.. too of course)
3) Show Track/Channel presets in the Add Audio Track drop down.

This way you can add a track with as many fader back ground colors as you would like.

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:26 pm
by DaDa
Looking at some other screenshots, I can see where they are comming from.
The tracks now show their individual colors in the track type field,
which simplifies the track / channel coloring.
The only way to distinguish between different types is now the symbol, in that area, though.
While I understand this approach and see the benefit, I'm sure this will be much harder to navigate !

So, please find a different solution !
( will offer one if I have some more time ... )

bye, Jan

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:26 pm
by HowlingUlf
+1

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:27 pm
by Puma0382
+1.

Got to say, it makes finding what you want quick and painless with the track type colours... Like your (forward) thinking too JMCecil... :)

Having nothing there at all = not good..!

Bob

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:34 pm
by NorthWood MediaWorks
I think we could actually take this a little further... we need to be able to customize the mixer more, as per MOTU DP7, ProTools, et al...... At least the colour schemes, if not modularizing the components of each strip.

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:41 pm
by patcub
NorthWood MediaWorks wrote:I think we could actually take this a little further... we need to be able to customize the mixer more, as per MOTU DP7, ProTools, et al...... At least the colour schemes, if not modularizing the components of each strip.
I agree with this too. Either way (back to C5 or further to PT9), but please SB do something, the mixer is too confusing in C6.
I work with 80 to 100 tracks on each project. No way I'm going to sit in front of 90 grey tracks everyday for several hours. This is workflow killer.

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:41 pm
by The dman
Seriously they have no colors on the mixer anymore?

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:44 pm
by JMCecil
The dman wrote:Seriously they have no colors on the mixer anymore?
semi-supported information. We still need to see what the combination of all the new coloring features will allow. But, it seems that the only difference is a track icon. But again, until we SEE it ..... The manual is pretty sketchy on the issue.

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:46 pm
by patcub
The dman wrote:Seriously they have no colors on the mixer anymore?

You can colorcode the tiny space at the bottom of the channel strip --> individual track colors are still there in C6.

But the color around the fader you used to have to identify whether it is an audio, FX, group, instrument, MIDI track seems to be gone (to be confirmed).

You have now to rely on the track name or the little color at the bottom to identify the track type. Which makes things harder.

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:47 pm
by Guest
Woah!!! I didn't notice that. Steiny, what the heck are you guys thinking? I depend on those colors to help find my channels when I have high-track counts. COLORED CHANNELS PLEASE! The excellent fully-colored mixer channels are the few things that temps me to switch to Pro Tools. Do the programmers at SB actually ever use Cubase in real life? I hope Steiny does the intelligent thing on this.

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:12 pm
by patcub
Sean Dockery wrote: The excellent fully-colored mixer channels are the few things that temps me to switch to Pro Tools.
+1. Reaper does this as well. But sadly not Cubase :(

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:43 pm
by Chris Beuermann
Hello,

We will have a look to this on Monday.

Cheers,

Chris

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:46 pm
by HowlingUlf
Chris Beuermann wrote:Hello,

We will have a look to this on Monday.

Cheers,

Chris
:shock:
Good thing I sat down already when I read that, or else I'd fall over! :lol:
thanx, though! 8-)

PS if you're lucky it's only a setting in Defaults.xml ;)

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:49 pm
by DaDa
JMCecil wrote:
The dman wrote:Seriously they have no colors on the mixer anymore?
semi-supported information. We still need to see what the combination of all the new coloring features will allow. But, it seems that the only difference is a track icon. But again, until we SEE it ..... The manual is pretty sketchy on the issue.
Well, 'the oracle' is knowingly a Steinberg insider / tester / employee / or CEO ;) ...
So I'll take it as fact.

bye, Jan

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:53 pm
by patcub
Chris Beuermann wrote:Hello,

We will have a look to this on Monday.

Cheers,

Chris
Thank you so much Chris, this is a great news.

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:03 pm
by orchetect
+1 Yes :!: :!: :!:

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:06 pm
by DaDa
Chris Beuermann wrote:We will have a look to this on Monday.
Thanks, Chris !
Good to hear.

As I said, I see the will to streamline the color management, with only one adjustable color for individual tracks / channels / parts.
But the second fixed color for channel types was a real help, navigating through dozens of channels.
E.g.: my color for drums is light blue. In my drum folder I have audio, midi and group tracks often with opened automation lanes or even subfolders. All parts are light blue.
But the tracks have their own ( 2nd ) color per type. So I can easily identify the group channels, for example.
This would be much harder if all tracks where light blue, only differing in the symbols.

bye, Jan

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:37 pm
by Ian s
Thank you Chris. Now I will have a happier weekend. I really hope this can be resolved. The extra info gained from that extra little bit of colour is extremely useful when charging around the mixer.

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:42 pm
by The dman
One thing I love about Protools is the mixer and the way you can color code the mixer channels. It's great for workflow and looks good too. Cubases mixer looks dark and clunky compared to PT. imo

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:49 pm
by JMCecil
wow, how awesome is that ...

I sincerely hope some of this direct communication continues long after the 6 release.

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:54 pm
by GargoyleStudio
+1. I like the PT method too, very clear. But even they've succumbed slightly to the dark style recently which is just the fad at the moment. Bigger and clearer icons and less 'fancy borders' would suit me. I'm less interested in the aesthetics more into being able to navigate around quickly with good visual cues. Someone in the studio said the other day that Cb5 wasn't as easy to navigate as SX3 - I'd say personal taste, but I agree.

Mike.

Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:04 pm
by mindastray
patcub wrote:
Chris Beuermann wrote:Hello,

We will have a look to this on Monday.

Cheers,

Chris
Thank you so much Chris, this is a great news.
+1

Haven't got my C6 yet but anyhow; in C5 in the mixer the FX/GROUP tracks' colors weren't too distinctive. They should color up even the grey area in the bottom, where the tracks' numbers are. OK ok, not a huge deal, but have sooo many times cried after that property. Would be better to have the color on where you have to click your mouse to. I remember at least Nuendo 4 having it that way..?