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JMCecil wrote:Kill FX and Group tracks as types. They have always been an unnecessary stopgap IMO.
and what do you suggest should be in its' place?

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GargoyleStudio wrote:+1. I like the PT method too, very clear. But even they've succumbed slightly to the dark style recently which is just the fad at the moment. Bigger and clearer icons and less 'fancy borders' would suit me. I'm less interested in the aesthetics more into being able to navigate around quickly with good visual cues. Someone in the studio said the other day that Cb5 wasn't as easy to navigate as SX3 - I'd say personal taste, but I agree.

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Bredo wrote:Of corse you can color the tracks different than the events or parts.
The selector for showing track colors may be in another place than before (it was in Nuendo).

Did I say I like the new look..... Sorry :)
+1 but there is an argument for a more generic track type that can be used for a multiplicity of operations, VCA fading and so on, linking to MIDI channels and so forth so I doubt this is the end of the discussion, merely it is the beginning of what will hopefully be a fruitful and positive discussion.

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bentley wrote:
JMCecil wrote:Kill FX and Group tracks as types. They have always been an unnecessary stopgap IMO.
and what do you suggest should be in its' place?
Nothing, .... FX tracks and Groups tracks are just audio tracks. Even when they were first created they were artificial differences that are now gone. What do find different about them other than the icon and fader color? Off the top of my head I believe the only difference right now is the ability to record. That's an artificial limitation that serves no purpose. Heck, that limitation may be gone in C6, I didn't look.

So, if the only real difference left is the ability to identify the track type in the mixer, then give us a way to identify them. So, if you go read my suggestion you will see what I would replace them with. The ability to save track presets with fader background colors and have those available in the Add Audio Track drop down.
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Bredo wrote:Of corse you can color the tracks different than the events or parts.
The selector for showing track colors may be in another place than before (it was in Nuendo).
But you have to do that, manually ...
OK, the 'use for similar tracks' option may help.

The main issue though, is, that the mixer channels are not reflecting that color
in an clearly visible way ( i.e.: completely colored background ).

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DaDa wrote:
The main issue though, is, that the mixer channels are not reflecting that color
in an clearly visible way ( i.e.: completely colored background ).

bye, Jan
Hi dada

I don't work with bands but have projects that have many tracks, and now with the new folder functions I can only assume that streamlining projects will be much easier.

The color strip at the bottom is more than enough IMV to identify tracks, as track type is more or less determined by function rather than an ad hoc feature such as for example auto increment/auto color.
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And lets not forget Rewire channels 'colour' too... :)

(oh, and thanks ChrisB for your earlier post - hopefully some positive news soon..)

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JMCecil wrote:
bentley wrote:
JMCecil wrote:Kill FX and Group tracks as types. They have always been an unnecessary stopgap IMO.
and what do you suggest should be in its' place?
Nothing, .... FX tracks and Groups tracks are just audio tracks. Even when they were first created they were artificial differences that are now gone. What do find different about them other than the icon and fader color? Off the top of my head I believe the only difference right now is the ability to record. That's an artificial limitation that serves no purpose. Heck, that limitation may be gone in C6, I didn't look.

So, if the only real difference left is the ability to identify the track type in the mixer, then give us a way to identify them. So, if you go read my suggestion you will see what I would replace them with. The ability to save track presets with fader background colors and have those available in the Add Audio Track drop down.
All right, in Protools it works more or less the way you describe it, but their busses system is different as well as their color scheme. And their mixer has better workflow and features IMHO (colors, grouping, moveable channels, insert an sends in the same view, etc.).

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Puma0382 wrote:And lets not forget Rewire channels 'colour' too... :)

(oh, and thanks ChrisB for your earlier post - hopefully some positive news soon..)

Bob
With the approach I suggested you would be able to have custom fader backgrounds for as my track types as you like. Not, just the 4 we have now.
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bentley wrote: The color strip at the bottom is more than enough IMV to identify tracks, as track type is more or less determined by function rather than an ad hoc feature such as for example auto increment/auto color.
Hi bentley - and as such, the current situation (with the Track Type colours in C5.x.x) doesn't bother/hinder you much at all either...? Thus our wishes for a return of them in C6 here are ok with you..?

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JMCecil wrote:
Puma0382 wrote:And lets not forget Rewire channels 'colour' too... :)

(oh, and thanks ChrisB for your earlier post - hopefully some positive news soon..)

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With the approach I suggested you would be able to have custom fader backgrounds for as my track types as you like. Not, just the 4 we have now.
Yes - agreed; I said in an earlier post I liked what you had said... :)
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Re: Campaign - Please bring back channel type colors

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bentley wrote:
DaDa wrote:
The main issue though, is, that the mixer channels are not reflecting that color
in an clearly visible way ( i.e.: completely colored background ).

bye, Jan
Hi dada

I don't work with bands but have projects that have many tracks, and now with the new folder functions I can only assume that streamlining projects will be much easier.

The color strip at the bottom is more than enough IMV to identify tracks, as track type is more or less determined by function rather than an ad hoc feature such as for example auto increment/auto color.
All right, this is your workflow, but mine is different, I feel the same as Dada when he says :
E.g.: my color for drums is light blue. In my drum folder I have audio, midi and group tracks often with opened automation lanes or even subfolders. All parts are light blue.
At least we can make it an option.

For a pad sound with a VST synth, I can have the midi track named "pad", the vst channel named "pad" too, and I make the difference between the two by looking at the track color. Now I'll have to name the first "pad midi" and the second "pad audio", and I will need to read the channel's name in order to see which one I'm working on. It's really annoying, I have multiple screens and this slows me down. :|

And I don't have only 1 pad track in my projects :mrgreen: so repeat this 10 times and the nightmare starts.
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The colouring we are talking about here (Channel Type Colours) is quite subtle in C5 and doesn't really alter the "look" of the mixer, it just gives a few extra visual clues, which improve navigation. It would appear that C6, wilst setting out to make the mixer appear more streamlined, has removed those visual cues, and not replaced them with any similar navigational aid.

I'd like to see it re-appear, or at least be a preference.

The Idea of user definable track types is certainly enticing for the future.


In terms of general appearance, I think that Cubase has it about right. Like some other DAWs it's gone a little bit dark recently for my own taste, but that can be altered easily enough, it's just personal preference, and Cubase has pretty good provision for accommodating that.
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patcub wrote:.................

For a pad sound with a VST synth, I can have the midi track named "pad", the vst channel named "pad" too, and I make the difference between the two by looking at the track color. ..............
This is very much the way I work also. the combination of the user assigned colour and the track type colour is the key for me.
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patcub wrote:At least we can make it an option.
So why not have an option firstly to color folders and inherit a background color for that instead.

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bentley wrote:
patcub wrote:At least we can make it an option.
So why not have an option firstly to color folders and inherit a background color for that instead.
I don't understand what you mean :oops: What folders are you talking about ?

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hi patcub

I'm talking about the new feature of edit groups, in that is where enhancements will most likely be made.

Sure it creates hierarchies that will take some getting used to but it can also streamline the experience very well.

When you color a folder it is no different to the color strip at the bottom of any other track and as bredo pointed out in another post there are further strips at the base of each track to identify exactly what type of track you are looking at but as I understand what is the essence of this thread is that the area behind the main buttons is at question.

With that said, if you could somehow color a folder track independently of the color strips (remembering they can be turned off globally) so that a background color was obtained as opposed to full coloration of a channel strip eg. ugly pro-tools/cakewalk then you would be able to have that inherited by subsequent decedents.

Maybe it sounds like a massive workaround but these things must always start somewhere.

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bentley wrote:hi patcub

I'm talking about the new feature of edit groups, in that is where enhancements will most likely be made.

Sure it creates hierarchies that will take some getting used to but it can also streamline the experience very well.

When you color a folder it is no different to the color strip at the bottom of any other track and as bredo pointed out in another post there are further strips at the base of each track to identify exactly what type of track you are looking at but as I understand what is the essence of this thread is that the area behind the main buttons is at question.

With that said, if you could somehow color a folder track independently of the color strips (remembering they can be turned off globally) so that a background color was obtained as opposed to full coloration of a channel strip eg. ugly pro-tools/cakewalk then you would be able to have that inherited by subsequent decedents.

Maybe it sounds like a massive workaround but these things must always start somewhere.

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This new feature of edit groups you are talking about is in the project window right ? Not in the mixer or am I missing something ? Do you have any screenshot of these forlders ? I'm pretty confused :mrgreen:

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patcub wrote:This new feature of edit groups you are talking about is in the project window right ? Not in the mixer or am I missing something ? Do you have any screenshot of these forlders ? I'm pretty confused :mrgreen:
Yes but is that not where everything starts?

Basically the biggest problem IMV is the way that there is no "synchronization" between the project window and mixer, in that if you move tracks around in the project, this arbitrary placement is not reflected in the mixer(s) regardless of what you have showing, eg VST connections etc.

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bentley wrote:
patcub wrote:This new feature of edit groups you are talking about is in the project window right ? Not in the mixer or am I missing something ? Do you have any screenshot of these forlders ? I'm pretty confused :mrgreen:
Yes but is that not where everything starts?

Basically the biggest problem IMV is the way that there is no "synchronization" between the project window and mixer, in that if you move tracks around in the project, this arbitrary placement is not reflected in the mixer(s) regardless of what you have showing, eg VST connections etc.

right but I'm way less ambitious right now :mrgreen:

I was hoping for an easy way to have colors back to better separate track types in the mixer, until more heavy stuff is implemented. I like your idea, sounds fine :) .

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"Coloring tracks" page 72 from the manual.
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Renee wrote:"Coloring tracks" page 72 from the manual.
I suggest a good read of the thread ...
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patcub wrote:I agree 100%. This is a nightmare. I can already imagine myself scrolling through 90 grey tracks, looking for a audio track or a FX channel.
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The Mixer channels are all gray now.
No more channel type colors. ( like purple for FX returns, green for VST instrument audio channels, etc.)
Please bring this back ... at least as an option!
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I agree with everything that you say except - PLEASE don't take away my group tracks!
JMCecil wrote:Ok, I'll re-iterate what I think the "best for me" solution would be ...

Kill FX and Group tracks as types. They have always been an unnecessary stopgap IMO.

1) Add the ability to color fader backgrounds much like you can the track color strip at the bottom.
2) Save the color as part of a track/channel preset (save other things like sends ... pan law/type etc.. too of course)
3) Show Track/Channel presets in the Add Audio Track drop down.

This way you can add a track with as many fader back ground colors as you would like.
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