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I really don't see why for $1800 we don't get Cubase as well. That is just crazy.
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I have to agree... I'd even pay a few quid for the discs if you didn't want to do a download version...

Sort of a "Cubase crossgrade for Nuendo Users Only" for £9.99 or something to cover your manufacturing and printing costs...

But it does make a lot of sense.
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whitecat wrote:I have to agree... I'd even pay a few quid for the discs if you didn't want to do a download version...

Sort of a "Cubase crossgrade for Nuendo Users Only" for £9.99 or something to cover your manufacturing and printing costs...

But it does make a lot of sense.
Hey Whitecat. Good to see you here from Gearslutz! I would gladly pay for that as well.
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Vocalpoint wrote:
Fredo wrote:So I would like to ask you very kindly to not jump conclusions and keep your fingers crossed ....
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And I - as a paying customer - am not jumping to conclusions. I am merely quoting a historical perspective. The same damn thing happens every cycle. And I don;t ready feel like keeping my fingers crossed for another 3 years...the wait from 4->5 was pain enough thank you.

It's no big secret to me that as soon as C6 was given the bulk of dev time (to it get ready for NAMM) - anything good that was supposed to happen to Nuendo 5 suddenly dried up. Leading me to believe that the same 8-10 guys that were supposed to give us faster updates and more good stuff are the same 8-10 guys who code Cubase thus - how is it possible to ever end the "leap frogging".

Fredo - bottom line - since all we have is 30 lame bug fixes to speak of since June 2010 - N5 is quickly becoming yesterday's news and now since C6 takes the lead - it truly is yesterday's news.

For those of us that are using the flagship (anything that's 1800+ dollars gets a flagship tag from me :) the only thing that should have happened this week - was a parallel announcement from NAMM giving the N5 crowd - a free N5.5 - that essentially brings the two apps into the same space.

Even an announcement of ANYTHING for us - maybe a 5.1.1 would have been better than nothing. Or maybe it's just me?

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Lydiot wrote:You're hyper-sensitive. Have a beer. Relax.
I'm cool. 8-)
I just want to point out that I will not allow this thread to derail.
For the moment it's been proven that this can be discussed without using offensive language, and I want to keep it that way.

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I agree. No point in not having Cubase as well. However I do think it was a retrograde step when Steinberg ceased to allow the Nuendo licence to run Cubase. When was that? Cubase/Nuendo 3? I can't remember.

I can't see that it would do Steinberg great harm to allow this, and it would add a lot of goodwill, as would getting rid of the invidious NEK update fees.

I have both apps, and use Cubase for the smaller studio. When C6 arrives I expect I will use it in the main room in preference to N4 - I haven't upgraded to N5 as frankly there is nothing in it which I need at present. I will prob wait til N5.5 gives the C6 features I need, or I may leave Nuendo altogether at that point. It does feel as if Steinberg doesn't really want music producers like me, who do only a little sound-to-picture, on board with Nuendo.

Their loss I think.
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J L Bowie wrote: Bruce, save yourself the aggravation and do what I did years ago, run both applications. I already have my order in at L&M for the Cubase 6 upgrade from Cubase 5 and am very much looking forward to it. Who could resist it, actually, the new multi-track editing/comp features alone are worth the price of admission. If we ultimately get the new features in this iteration of Nuendo, so much the better, but for the price of admission (Even for the full version at retail) there is no point in waiting.
Jack,

As soon as someone wants to slip me enough cash to buy Cubase all over again again (Truth be known I started on Cubase SX and upgraded my way up the ladder) I would consider it. But the last time I checked - I am a Nuendo user, really enjoy using Nuendo and to me - any deviance from the path means the eventual end of Nuendo if enough people do that.

I promised myself I wouldn't get all worked up about this and I won't. I will be patient and wait it out for whatever updates are offered for Nuendo. No sense going off about free C6 licenses n' such since it's quite clear that Steiny wants no part of that thought process.

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I not did the N5 update yet but use N3, N4 and C5.5 - I will get the C6 Upgrade now and decide later if I do an Nuendo upgrade as well. In the moment there is not reason for me to spend 400 bucks for N5 + Neck - why? Though I want to use Nuendo in the long term, maybe N5.5 or N6 (when it comes with (stable!) C6 features...
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Brandy wrote:Though I want to use Nuendo in the long term, maybe N5.5 or N6 (when it comes with (stable!) C6 features...
Then maybe we'll have to wait again a year for N6 to be released (remember N5 vs C5).
Be patient.

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Patient for a flagship application to reach the 64 bit status that not only its smaller brother has but also all of its competition? That's not patience, it is willful submission.
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feck wrote:Patient for a flagship application to reach the 64 bit status that not only its smaller brother has but also all of its competition? That's not patience, it is willful submission.
Hmmm...I have been running 64 Nuendo 5 since day one. You must be on Mac...yes?
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Vocalpoint wrote:
feck wrote:Patient for a flagship application to reach the 64 bit status that not only its smaller brother has but also all of its competition? That's not patience, it is willful submission.
Hmmm...I have been running 64 Nuendo 5 since day one. You must be on Mac...yes?
Nearly forgot that the Mac guys were missing a 64 bit version. Running x64 on PC here since the Cubase 5 release, then Nuendo 5 x64. Works great on W7 and I enjoy the RAM advantage. Guess the Mac users are one more reason to release a 5.5 update as soon as possible to give them the benefits of 64 bit too.
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Vocalpoint wrote:
feck wrote:Patient for a flagship application to reach the 64 bit status that not only its smaller brother has but also all of its competition? That's not patience, it is willful submission.
Hmmm...I have been running 64 Nuendo 5 since day one. You must be on Mac...yes?
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I don´t know why, but somehow I can already smell all the tasty Cubase 6 goodness
and more, coming to Nuendo before.. end of Q1 ? :) Looking forward to
the announcement Chris mentioned in the other thread.
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Just so I am clear, the official word as of today is that there is no upgrade or crossgrade path for current Nuendo users to add a Cubase 6 license for anything other than full price?
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feck wrote:Just so I am clear, the official word as of today is that there is no upgrade or crossgrade path for current Nuendo users to add a Cubase 6 license for anything other than full price?
No - the "official" word of of the last few days has been (according to Chris B - from this thread):

http://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtopi ... =87&t=1833

"Please stay to one topic. Some information will come at a later point. Please stay tuned"

I guess if you wanted to pull the trigger this very second and order C6 - yes -I suppose you would pay full freight. If it were me - I would wait and see what this cryptic message actually means.

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Personally, using cubase is not an option for me as it just doesn't work with my ID console.
What would be wrong with the concept of creating just one app, where the functionality available to you is determined by the licenses on your dongle?
Drop the whole 2 apps thing altogether.

Nuendo code has the ability in prefs to disable certain components from the menus, so why not take this a stage further & have a totally modular system.
Better automation loaded if you have the right license.
Better surround support - ditto.
Music tools - no problem, if your license activates that component then it appears, if it doesn't then you need to get the update. Steiny could do several entry points, with the cheapest giving basic functionality, then a cubase equivalent & finally the "top of the range" version with all bells & whistles activated by default.
These could still be customizable - for example, the IOSONO panner can be disabled by unticking it in "Devices/Plugin Information/Program Plugins" - so why not continue along these lines?
.....with the additional benefit that leapfrogging stops.
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Neil,

I suspect you're preaching to the choir..... It's been a request for years. I'm guessing the primary concern is branding. I'd say it'd be a worth while trade-off to consolidate into one software as you describe, with one brand-name. Somehow I think it won't happen this decade though.... I don't think we can talk much more about it without approaching the point of.... well.... you know...
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I wonder who the Queen fan was in original Nuendo development?
Obviously there was a "2001" fan too, hence HALion with it's (originally) Red eye (now Blue to match 2010 sequel)
But I digress - again! :lol:
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neilwilkes wrote:I wonder who the Queen fan was in original Nuendo development?
I have always been a fan of the Queen.
I also like that Sox Pistols song; God Shave The Queen.

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Fredo wrote: I have always been a fan of the Queen.
I also like that Sox Pistols song; God Shave The Queen.
Agreed! :mrgreen:


OMG, we are getting way OFF TOPIC in the Music lounge again! :shock: ;) So, about that announcement Chris mentioned... any news on this?
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Funny, until today I never had the idea to look under Steinbergs hood.

Here is the complete report until March 09. Since this is German only, I just point to the things that are probably of interest:

Looking at the turnover, Cubase generated 12.000.000€ where Nuendo generated 890.000€. The pro audio segment is not literally a niche, but generates only 6,2% of the total t/o.

Hardware generates 7,1% of the total t/o and is thus more important than pro audio (!) after only one year (there was no hardware sold before this reports time span).

As for March 09, Steinberg is nowhere near financial problems. They report that due to the aggressive pricing from Apple, they needed to lower their prices, but that didn't do any damage to Steinberg.

The profit was as low as 303.000€, but as far as I understand this is because the price for purchasing Syncrosoft has been paid at once (i.e. without obtaining a loan). Syncrosoft costed 2.900.000€, but this saves 1Mio€ of license fees per year.

They have 122employees as of 31.03.2009, but they expect to expand very quickly to be able to keep in touch with a fast changing audio market.

Well. Sadly, there is no newer report, what I don't quite understand. It should be available soon. Let's see what they plan for the future.
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Will have Nuendo nicer Waveforms in the end?

I hardly miss "transparent Events" as well as I dislike the "Event inverts color when highlighted". That confuzes - I prefer that red highlight around a regular looking waveform. In C6 the (black) Wave turnes into white and the background turnes into black. Baaaah, not professional looking those Events... Rrrrrh, Nuendo Events - I love!
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Matthias Adloff wrote:Funny, until today I never had the idea to look under Steinbergs hood.

Here is the complete report until March 09. Since this is German only, I just point to the things that are probably of interest:

Looking at the turnover, Cubase generated 12.000.000€ where Nuendo generated 890.000€. The pro audio segment is not literally a niche, but generates only 6,2% of the total t/o.

Hardware generates 7,1% of the total t/o and is thus more important than pro audio (!) after only one year (there was no hardware sold before this reports time span).

As for March 09, Steinberg is nowhere near financial problems. They report that due to the aggressive pricing from Apple, they needed to lower their prices, but that didn't do any damage to Steinberg.

The profit was as low as 303.000€, but as far as I understand this is because the price for purchasing Syncrosoft has been paid at once (i.e. without obtaining a loan). Syncrosoft costed 2.900.000€, but this saves 1Mio€ of license fees per year.

They have 122employees as of 31.03.2009, but they expect to expand very quickly to be able to keep in touch with a fast changing audio market.

Well. Sadly, there is no newer report, what I don't quite understand. It should be available soon. Let's see what they plan for the future.

now that was highly interesting. Also if you take a look at reports of other german based companies like Magix, Ableton... good to know Steinberg is doing so well, but the market share of Nuendo compared to Cubase does not surprise me at all.
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I have the official statement:

Nuendo 5 to Cubase 6 Crossgrade offer - 593.97 € :lol:
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