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Cubase Artist requires the USB eLicenser

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:01 am
by Spiderbyte
Okay so I had to buy the packaged product version of Cubase Artist 7 and that means I got the eUSB licenser. Then, later, I tried to launch the program after taking out the USB and it said 'No valid license found.' That means I have to have the USB thing in my computer every single time I want to use the software? I bought it. I proved I own it. I shouldn't have to prove I own it every single time I launch the program. My computer doesn't have an infinte number of damn USB slots on it! I need those! Someone please tell me I'm missing something and there's a way I can convert this License back to the software version so it automatically takes care of itself like the licence I had on Cubase 6.

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:38 am
by knuckle47
You can try using a powered USB hub for some of your other requirements and keep the dongle in place permanently as we all do. I had only 2 USB slots on the old computer but the hub works and it is very inexpensive, a few dollars

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:14 am
by mozizo
when used to have cubase 5 i remember i could launch cubase with the dongle, then remove the dongle and cubase was running just fine, now if i remove the dongle while C7 is running it stops C7.

well i never took the advantage of that old behavior but it could be nice in live performances where u can launch cubase and then take the dongle off , or at studio running multiple studio/laptop computers at same location with cubase :D :!:

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:43 am
by Guest
Spiderbyte wrote:Okay so I had to buy the packaged product version of Cubase Artist 7 and that means I got the eUSB licenser. Then, later, I tried to launch the program after taking out the USB and it said 'No valid license found.' That means I have to have the USB thing in my computer every single time I want to use the software? I bought it. I proved I own it. I shouldn't have to prove I own it every single time I launch the program. My computer doesn't have an infinte number of damn USB slots on it! I need those! Someone please tell me I'm missing something and there's a way I can convert this License back to the software version so it automatically takes care of itself like the licence I had on Cubase 6.
nope , usb hardware dongle it is , you obviously didn't research before buying then ........

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:25 am
by MaXxive
So you actually want to be able to prove you bought it with the dongle, then never use it again, so you'll be able to install Cubase on a friend's computer, prove you bought it, then never use it again...?

I'm not saying you're trying to find a way to use the software illegally, but the thing is.... it's a working licensing system!

I'm happy that it's working the way it is, tbh! It's a small dongle, doesn't bother me at all and I'm sure this way Steinberg makes more (loses less) money, so they can invest more in new software en updates :)

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:27 pm
by curteye
filterfreak wrote:[you obviously didn't research before buying
+1
{'-'}

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:38 pm
by Elektrobolt
Spiderbyte wrote:Okay so I had to buy the packaged product version of Cubase Artist 7 and that means I got the eUSB licenser. Then, later, I tried to launch the program after taking out the USB and it said 'No valid license found.' That means I have to have the USB thing in my computer every single time I want to use the software? I bought it. I proved I own it. I shouldn't have to prove I own it every single time I launch the program. My computer doesn't have an infinte number of damn USB slots on it! I need those! Someone please tell me I'm missing something and there's a way I can convert this License back to the software version so it automatically takes care of itself like the licence I had on Cubase 6.
I have to say that it is amazing to see people still buying a $500 license for an application, not doing any research into that investment, and then write a post saying "Seriously!?". I mean, that was my first response to you buying the software without even checking the software requirements. After all, you could have been missing a whole lot more than an available USB port. Anyway, requirements are clearly mention on the specs & downloads page.

Nevertheless, enjoy Cubase 7, it is simply awesome!

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:36 am
by grecore
I bought that car, and everytime I want to drive it, I have to use the key. Seriously!?

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:08 pm
by Freddie H
grecore wrote:I bought that car, and everytime I want to drive it, I have to use the key. Seriously!?

:mrgreen: :D haha... funny




Best Regards
Freddie

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:16 pm
by mozizo
:lol:

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:18 pm
by TheNavigator
grecore wrote:I bought that car, and everytime I want to drive it, I have to use the key. Seriously!?
This is an invalid comparison.

The carkeys benefit the driver of the car, the USB - key to Cubase only benefits Steinberg and annoys the user.

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:28 pm
by Scab Pickens
TheNavigator wrote:The carkeys benefit the driver of the car, the USB - key to Cubase only benefits Steinberg and annoys the user.
It doesn't annoy me.

Would you prefer others to be able to illegally and freely use the software you paid for?

I consider the hardware dongle a benefit. Just as a car key is meant to control who operates the car ...

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:23 pm
by BriHar
I'd be rather peeved if when I come to use the program I find someone has altered parameters and reconfigured it. If they don't have a key they can't run it and change things! So in that way, it protects and benefits me. ;)
Spiderbyte wrote:My computer doesn't have an infinte number of damn USB slots on it! I need those!
Ever heard of a USB hub?

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:15 pm
by jaslan
Spiderbyte wrote:I have to have the USB thing in my computer every single time I want to use the software? I bought it. I proved I own it. I shouldn't have to prove I own it every single time I launch the program.
Actually, you didn't buy the software and you don't own it. Steinberg owns the software. You agree to let them install their software on your computer and you buy a license to use their software on your computer. Steinberg has the right to protect their software from illegal use just as you have the right to buy and use a different product.
TheNavigator wrote:
grecore wrote:I bought that car, and everytime I want to drive it, I have to use the key. Seriously!?
This is an invalid comparison.

The carkeys benefit the driver of the car, the USB - key to Cubase only benefits Steinberg and annoys the user.
Actually, it does benefit the user. You just don't see it yet. I'll explain. If the software was stolen and copied many times, that would decrease revenue. Since Steinberg is a business and has to pay their bills with revenue (i.e. not a government agency that can operate at a loss for billions every quarter on taxpayer money), this helps keep the cost of the product down. Like the car keys, we would rather not have to carry them but we understand that they are a part of a solution to a problem. Also like the car keys, the dongle annoys the thief the most, which is the purpose.
J.L.

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:29 pm
by Mr M
mozizo wrote:when used to have cubase 5 i remember i could launch cubase with the dongle, then remove the dongle and cubase was running just fine, now if i remove the dongle while C7 is running it stops C7.

well i never took the advantage of that old behavior but it could be nice in live performances where u can launch cubase and then take the dongle off , or at studio running multiple studio/laptop computers at same location with cubase :D :!:
I cant see how this was possible unless you mean Cubase VST 5 circa 2001. At least since Cubase SX my understanding is that Cubase does calls to the dongle throughout any session. This was a complaint 10 years ago as many noticed a performance hit (I never noticed personally).

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:50 pm
by thinkingcap
Mr M wrote:
mozizo wrote:when used to have cubase 5 i remember i could launch cubase with the dongle, then remove the dongle and cubase was running just fine, now if i remove the dongle while C7 is running it stops C7.

well i never took the advantage of that old behavior but it could be nice in live performances where u can launch cubase and then take the dongle off , or at studio running multiple studio/laptop computers at same location with cubase :D :!:
I cant see how this was possible unless you mean Cubase VST 5 circa 2001. At least since Cubase SX my understanding is that Cubase does calls to the dongle throughout any session. This was a complaint 10 years ago as many noticed a performance hit (I never noticed personally).
Not every action taken causes dongle calls. even in C7 you can record and playback without the dongle attached...

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:15 pm
by mozizo
i guess its not cubase but syncrosofts updates.. it was by accident i discovered it back than with C5 but i didn't actually launched cubase with 1 dongle on multiple computers cuz i didnt have to back then.
when had C7 just outta curiousity i tried removing the dongle while C7 running and cubase 7 stoped. it was like 4 months ago..
maybe now its different ? i'll try it later !

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:19 pm
by TheNavigator
Scab Pickens wrote:
TheNavigator wrote:The carkeys benefit the driver of the car, the USB - key to Cubase only benefits Steinberg and annoys the user.
It doesn't annoy me.

Would you prefer others to be able to illegally and freely use the software you paid for?

I consider the hardware dongle a benefit. Just as a car key is meant to control who operates the car ...
It annoys me a lot. I would like to use Cubase on my notebook as well, but this puts the dongle at risk of being destroyed, damaged or worn out (the USB contacts!).

So the dongle puts me in a very bad position actually - I have to buy a spare USB key (which is also sunken costs), contact support in case of loss, etc...

Yes, the dongle annoys me. Other companies can do without (I own a lot of music software, including NI Komplete 8) - whats so special again about cubase7.exe that it can't have a working copy protection without some clunky hardware?

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 6:39 pm
by -steve-
NI's copy protection is not effective, Kontakt is cracked. I think they can live with that since a lot of the value in their product comes from the content which is enormous, thus difficult to download.

if you search for "kontakt torrent" you will see that people are using cracked versions.

The Steinberg dongle works. This software has arguably more functions than any other daw. After the initial investment, If you update every two years it costs $8.33 per month, and there are ways to buy it at a lower price than full retail if you really need to save money. (ebay, academic versions if you are a poor student or teacher)

I respect Steinberg's effort to maintain control over their product.

The contacts on your dongle are not going to wear out from plugging it in and pulling it out of the socket. C'mon. I used it on a Macbook Pro for years, I managed to never lose or break it, and I lose or break many things I own!

I find it entirely lame that people would complain about the price of Cubase, or that they might spend another $25. to protect their investment. Which is not even necessary, you can always just not lose your dongle, or buy the replacement when you need it. My suggestion earlier allowed that the OP lived in a location where it would be hard to obtain one, like say, Ukraine, or the eastern side of Afghanastan. ;)

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:05 pm
by TheNavigator
Oh, thats bad for NI. Their products are really good. :-(

I just wish there was a solution, but I think I'll try the extension cord - thing.

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:09 pm
by BubblySunshine
I love my Steinberg dongle, its cute and sits there in a corner with a pulsing red heart beat like a little tamaogotchi, combined with the iLocks awesome electric blue glow its like something out of Tron (80's fan boy) I dig it! 8-)

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:12 pm
by Fitz
Scab Pickens wrote:
TheNavigator wrote:The carkeys benefit the driver of the car, the USB - key to Cubase only benefits Steinberg and annoys the user.
It doesn't annoy me.

Would you prefer others to be able to illegally and freely use the software you paid for?

I consider the hardware dongle a benefit. Just as a car key is meant to control who operates the car ...
It annoys *ME* so there goes your argument.

Additionally eLicenser supports a 'soft' dongle which is tied to the computer. Annoyingly Steinberg do not permit this to be used, meaning instead that I must waste a USB port. This is one reason I will *never* use Cubase on stage as I only have 2x USB ports on my laptop which get used for keyboard and audio interface, and no, I'm not having a stupid USB powered hub hanging off my laptop being something else that can potentially go wrong. Ableton got my money for that application.

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:27 pm
by distante
What annoys me is the impossibility to pass my cubase AI 6 licence from the dongle to my laptop (hard to soft) Now, I just own a AI licence that is useless :x

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:32 pm
by thinkingcap
distante wrote:What annoys me is the impossibility to pass my cubase AI 7 licence from the dongle to my laptop (hard to soft) Now, I just own a AI licence that is useless :x
Just like the OP you should have done some research...

Re: Seriously!?

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:33 pm
by jaslan
distante wrote:What annoys me is the impossibility to pass my cubase AI 7 licence from the dongle to my laptop (hard to soft) Now, I just own a AI licence that is useless :x
How is that useless? Plug the dongle in and use the software.
J.L.