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Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:49 pm
by Stealth
I can't believe it actually works now!

Thank you Steinberg! :D

EDIT: So far it looks like it only works with samples from Mediabay, not audio from the arrange window or pool...

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:09 am
by Guest
Interesting.
Q: can you drag and drop from the pool?

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:10 am
by Guest
HAH! brilliant ! thanks. I might actually start using Battery again now!

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:12 am
by Stealth
niles wrote:Interesting.
Q: can you drag and drop from the pool?
No unfortunately you still can't drop n drop audio from the pool or arrange page. Only Mediabay to 3rd party VST.

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:15 am
by Guest
Stealth wrote:
niles wrote:Interesting.
Q: can you drag and drop from the pool?
No unfortunately you still can't drop n drop audio from the pool or arrange page. Only Mediabay to 3rd party VST.
Okay, thanks for the taking the time to reply!

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:38 am
by Stealth
It kind of makes you wonder what other features did Steinberg sneak in C7?

Hold on while I check to see if its possible to bounce in place/edit frozen tracks now too... :lol:

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:00 am
by Stealth
OK so I just tried dragging n dropping from the Mediabay to VPS Metrum (the only non Native Instrument plugin I own that supports external drag n drop) and it didn't work.

Can anyone with Geist or any other non NI sampler/drum machine plugin see if direct drag n drop from the Mediabay works? I hope its not just Native Instrument plugins that support drag n drop...

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:34 am
by emotive
Stealth wrote:OK so I just tried dragging n dropping from the Mediabay to VPS Metrum (the only non Native Instrument plugin I own that supports external drag n drop) and it didn't work.
What's the VST version of the plugin?

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:01 am
by Majic
brilliant news.


but i use short circuit by Vember Audio, always had drag and drop....

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:05 am
by Stealth
emotive wrote:
Stealth wrote:OK so I just tried dragging n dropping from the Mediabay to VPS Metrum (the only non Native Instrument plugin I own that supports external drag n drop) and it didn't work.
What's the VST version of the plugin?
I'm using the VST3 version.

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:10 am
by emotive
Stealth wrote:I'm using the VST3 version.
In that case it's probably the 3rd party who need to implement D&D (AFAIK drag and drop is bi-directional in VST3) rather than steinberg supporting it in an arbitrary manner, as what appears to be the case with the Native Instruments plugs.

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:19 am
by Majic
is there a quick way to locate a file from the project page in the Media Bay ?

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:26 pm
by Lord Havelock
This isn't working for me. When I drag from media bay to, for example, Battery it looks like it is moving or copying the sample but it doesn't appear.
Are you sure dragging from media bay to non-cubase vsts is actually working? If so, have you any idea why it doesn't work on my system?
Havelockman

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:32 pm
by Guest
Lord Havelock wrote:This isn't working for me. When I drag from media bay to, for example, Battery it looks like it is moving or copying the sample but it doesn't appear.
Are you sure dragging from media bay to non-cubase vsts is actually working? If so, have you any idea why it doesn't work on my system?
Havelockman
works for me, do you have always on top enabled? that may be the reason?

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:34 pm
by Majic
dont understand why they wouldnt highlight this ..

nice improvement.

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:51 pm
by Lord Havelock
Yup. Always on top is off in preferences. This is a pretty clean set up so I can't see why it isn't working. Maybe it isn't highlighted because it's flaky?
Thanks for the replies. Just tried again - not working.

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:06 pm
by Lord Havelock
Sorted. It looks like ubase won't allow the dragging of VST Sound files from Media Bay into things like Battery. But it will allow dragging of non-VST Sound files. Understandable I suppose from a commercial point of view.
Still a pretty good development.
Thanks for you attention

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:14 pm
by emotive
Lord Havelock wrote:It looks like ubase won't allow the dragging of VST Sound files from Media Bay into things like Battery. But it will allow dragging of non-VST Sound files.
I don't think commercial imperatives play any role here.

Audio files are very complex data structures and require highly specific meta-information in order to be passed around the program in a stable and efficient manner.

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:31 pm
by nonlocal
Majic wrote:is there a quick way to locate a file from the project page in the Media Bay ?
+1, I want to know that too

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:32 pm
by Guest
emotive wrote:Audio files are very complex data structures and require highly specific meta-information in order to be passed around the program in a stable and efficient manner.
At the end of the line we are only dragging around file pointers to locations (paths), whether it's audio, MIDI, or whatever format. Complexity of the source file doesn't matter as long as the receiving cliënt can read it.
I use Halion 4's browser as alternative MediaBay (in Cubase 6.5) and I can drop any file (except the ones in VST containers) on Kontakt and Battery directly from that browser.

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:18 pm
by emotive
niles wrote:At the end of the line we are only dragging around file pointers to locations (paths), whether it's audio, MIDI, or whatever format. Complexity of the source file doesn't matter as long as the receiving cliënt can read it.
I'd like to think it is a simple thing too but alas it isn't. Read up about "INFO chunk" in the RIFF file specification and you will see why.

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:21 pm
by Discoworx
emotive wrote:
Lord Havelock wrote:It looks like ubase won't allow the dragging of VST Sound files from Media Bay into things like Battery. But it will allow dragging of non-VST Sound files.
I don't think commercial imperatives play any role here.

Audio files are very complex data structures and require highly specific meta-information in order to be passed around the program in a stable and efficient manner.

EM you mean Broadcast WAV meta Data Specification that has been around for over a decade! to which Mediabay is BUILT upon.

IMHO it STILL a outright farce that you cannot D&D from the desktop OR internally to Kontakt. & the only logical reasoning here is a force upon sales of Halion. this feature LACK has been covered & recovered here in the forums for almost 5 yrs!........ pfft!. We had to use AGAIN, a third party application to use D*D in Cubase..... (same as Jbridge) These undeniable PREREQUISITES in ANY DAW is a severe boot in the nuts again from Steinberg regarding much need MAIN feature requirements.

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:56 pm
by emotive
I use Kontakt player and some of libraries really do sound great (even the factory set) but the notion that people would purchase a sound library based on *how* the generator or playback system works doesn't really add up in my mind.

To me it's kind of like saying a particular guitar is too heavy or cumbersome but I love the sound it makes so I think I'll just go the Gibson for a recording because I cannot be bothered lugging it into the studio.

Probably a poor analogy but I get the point for one shot samples or building up sound sets, particularly when Mediabay is such a great organizational tool.

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:03 pm
by Guest
emotive wrote:I'd like to think it is a simple thing too but alas it isn't. Read up about "INFO chunk" in the RIFF file specification and you will see why.
Actually I don't see why a standardised INFO chunk makes it harder to drag and drop files between programs that all can handle and correctly read the informations stored in that standardised INFO chunk?

Re: Finally 3rd party drag n drop in C7!

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:09 pm
by Guest
emotive wrote:I use Kontakt player and some of libraries really do sound great (even the factory set) but the notion that people would purchase a sound library based on *how* the generator or playback system works doesn't really add up in my mind.
Guess you don't work with homebrew samples a lot.
I can post a BIG list of differences why I rather use Kontakt 5 over Halion 4.
I can even post a BIGGER list why I rather use Battery over Groove Agent One.
But that's irrelevant and subjective.

It's not about sound, it's about personal functionality, what you are used to and what you want to achieve.